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Some posters here are making remarks that clearly demonstrate they have no specific skill in targeting Velvia to its use, if they use it at all. It's obvious.

Velvia was designed for exposure in diffuse illumination. Like any other E6 film (including Kodak's), it looks bloody awful when shot in the high noon of day with blue skies so hyper-infused that editors will trash a roll without further consideration the moment a blue sky turns up — it shows a lack of care in understanding how to expose Velvia correctly (I have also seen tripe shot on Provia with an 81B, polariser, UV and Skylight filter all at once). Cut to its design intent and Velvia remains the gold standard for all exhibition and gallery work in the analogue form, devoid of "outrageouos colour", and it has earned that over many years in skilled hands ,basing exposure based on science, not populist opinion.

Provia is not a saturated E6 film, never was and never will be by design; it is the polar opposite of Velvia and a very good all-rounder, especially with skin tones. It doesn't even share a common palette with Velvia, as many people assume. Provia can be moderated in terms of the colour tone by under- or judicious overexposure; it is not rocket science and such a technique is common too with Velvia, additional to measured use of a polariser, modulating tone and colour response to suit the photographer's vision of the print on the wall. Nothing mentally challenging about all this: we also did the same stuff with Kodachrome 25, 64 and 200, also avoiding shooting that in bright sunlight.
 
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Provia is less saturated than Velvia but considerably more saturated than the lamented (by me at least) Sensia and Astia as well as E100G and its amateur cousin Elitechrome 100. Can you deny that?

Fuji had three tiers of color saturation: Astia/Sensia, Provia, and Velvia. Velvia is the highest. Provia is in the middle of those but would have been considered a very saturated film by the standards of anyone before the advent of Velvia and E100VS.

I know how to expose Velvia if that's what I wanted to do. I even said much the same thing - it's good for very flat lighting. But the world isn't always very flat and some of us shoot slides to document events and memories that may not be ideally lit. I have some gorgeous slides on Astia of such but not that many because it went away just as I was starting to shoot slides again. I have a lot more on E100G and I continue to shoot my stash of that.
 
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Fuji intelligently offered a choice of three different levels of saturation to cover a range of needs. So it helped to know what each was good
for. But in terms of amateur use, Velvia took off because it looked so snappy on a lightbox or whatever. Printing or scanning it was a different
issue (and still is). And I don't know of any serious color printmaker who personally preferred Velvia for general shooting. It filled a niche, period. Maybe the cutesy honey-and-jam-atop-sugarcube calendar or postcard photographers used it a lot, but not intelligently - it's tricky to reproduce high contrast originals. I really liked Velvia for certain low-contrast lighting. Provia was mid-range, and Astia a little softer and
more neutral. Kodak E100G was mid range, but slightly in the Astia direction. The disappointing sales of Astia were largely due to people not
understanding the difference between how a film looks back-lit (lightbox or projector) and reproduced. Let's hope they market it again!
 

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Heck, I think Astia (and E100G) look gorgeous projected too. They let me shoot slides for projection in light that just wouldn't work for Velvia at all (not to mention people and skintones) and work only more problematically with Provia.
 

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I used to underexpose Velvia 50, rating it as ASA 80.

A few years back I lived near a great wood that was on a hill and around 5pm or so the light was almost horizontal and golden. I used to like make photos of how the light fell on the sides of trees and on the rocks. I'd always expose for the light and this, coupled with the underexposure, would plunge the shadows into deep black. The result was almost abstract and the way sections of the woods were rendered a deep gold whilst other parts were pure black was really great.

Sadly, I've never found a location like that where I now live.
 

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Some posters here are making remarks that clearly demonstrate they have no specific skill in targeting Velvia to its use, if they use it at all. It's obvious.

Ouch, man. I have to admit my early tinkerings with Velvia were misguided (I blame Mr. Rockwell). But I would submit that it is possible to get good shots in bright daylight with Velvia. Probably boils down to personal preference, and the purpose for the photographs in the first place. You certainly wouldn't want to use Velvia in a fundus camera, for example.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/80071240@N04/8455849761/http://www.flickr.com/people/80071240@N04/

Not to jack the thread. In fact, I've decided to give Provia another try while I still can!
 

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Provia is a medium ground E6 film IMHO, which means it's mighty usable film overall, it covers some 80% of my E6 needs. I shoot E6 to get those special colours. Velvia sometimes is overkill or too narrow-purosed and E100Gs were too subdued to "punch you into the face" after scanning for the lack of better wording - unless I want a very low grain and very limited DR I'd rather shoot Portra.



Punta del Diablo sunset by tsiklonaut, on Flickr







Puente de la Mujer by tsiklonaut, on Flickr







La Boca colours by tsiklonaut, on Flickr



Provia 400X is entire different matter though - I think it's the best film for recording blues, beats even Velvia 50 (that makes blues with purple cast):



European Southern Observatory (ESO) by tsiklonaut, on Flickr







Valparaíso by tsiklonaut, on Flickr



Cheers,
Margus
 

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Definitely it's about taste, but nothing gives me more goosebumps than inspecting those well exposed vivid chromes on the light table - that's why I shoot slides and willing to pay the premium on them - slide shooting isn't cheap anyore. For those humble "controlled colours" I much rather shoot C41 negs: forgiving, easier, cheaper, vastly better DR and much better skin tones. A taste thing indeed.
 
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