My father was the Customer Service manager for the Kodak processing laboratory in North Vancouver BC between 1961 and his retirement in 1983.When I was growing up in the '60's and '70's, I don't recall anyone who had a movie camera. I even had an uncle that had one of the big old Polaroids where you had to wipe the picture with the lacquer. Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market.
You hardly can compare the situation 1935 in the USA with the situation today. Moreover, New Agfcolor was introduced In Germany in November 1936 both as small gauge cine film and as still film type-135.I just recently read that Kodachrome was originally introduced as a movie film and was only made available in still formats a year or two later.
Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market. Obviously it was used extensively for filming news events and a great deal of the combat footage from WWII was filmed on 8mm, but that market hasn't existed for decades.
A smart question thuggins - wowSince most of the discussion around the new Ektachrome has been on this forum, I figured it is the best place to post this question. As those who have anxiously followed this new release know, we are getting a new slide film as pretty much an afterthought to Kodak wanting to bring out an amateur movie film. I just recently read that Kodachrome was originally introduced as a movie film and was only made available in still formats a year or two later, This leads to the obvious question. Is there actually more demand for Super 8 movie film than 35mm, 120 and even sheet size E-6 film?
When I was growing up in the '60's and '70's, I don't recall anyone who had a movie camera. I even had an uncle that had one of the big old Polaroids where you had to wipe the picture with the lacquer. Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market. Obviously it was used extensively for filming news events and a great deal of the combat footage from WWII was filmed on 8mm, but that market hasn't existed for decades.
When consumer video cameras first came out in the early 1980's, people who would have never have bothered with a movie camera flocked to get them. Even the huge, ungainly ones with a separate camera and a recorder that you carried in a satchel became an immediate "must have". For anyone who wanted to record their kids, or to record themselves making kids, videotape was the obvious choice. Even before the consumer models came out, news reporting had long before gone to tape.
The consumer video recorder must have devastated the market for amateur movie film. But the film companies soldiered on and continued to produce a product for a niche of a niche of a niche market. And now Kodak thinks enough folks will shell out $70+ for film and processing to merit bringing a on new movie film. So let's do a survey. How many folks will be using the movie film and how many will be shooting slides?
A smart question thuggins - wowSince most of the discussion around the new Ektachrome has been on this forum, I figured it is the best place to post this question. As those who have anxiously followed this new release know, we are getting a new slide film as pretty much an afterthought to Kodak wanting to bring out an amateur movie film. I just recently read that Kodachrome was originally introduced as a movie film and was only made available in still formats a year or two later, This leads to the obvious question. Is there actually more demand for Super 8 movie film than 35mm, 120 and even sheet size E-6 film?
When I was growing up in the '60's and '70's, I don't recall anyone who had a movie camera. I even had an uncle that had one of the big old Polaroids where you had to wipe the picture with the lacquer. Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market. Obviously it was used extensively for filming news events and a great deal of the combat footage from WWII was filmed on 8mm, but that market hasn't existed for decades.
When consumer video cameras first came out in the early 1980's, people who would have never have bothered with a movie camera flocked to get them. Even the huge, ungainly ones with a separate camera and a recorder that you carried in a satchel became an immediate "must have". For anyone who wanted to record their kids, or to record themselves making kids, videotape was the obvious choice. Even before the consumer models came out, news reporting had long before gone to tape.
The consumer video recorder must have devastated the market for amateur movie film. But the film companies soldiered on and continued to produce a product for a niche of a niche of a niche market. And now Kodak thinks enough folks will shell out $70+ for film and processing to merit bringing a on new movie film. So let's do a survey. How many folks will be using the movie film and how many will be shooting slides?
A smart question thuggins - wowSince most of the discussion around the new Ektachrome has been on this forum, I figured it is the best place to post this question. As those who have anxiously followed this new release know, we are getting a new slide film as pretty much an afterthought to Kodak wanting to bring out an amateur movie film. I just recently read that Kodachrome was originally introduced as a movie film and was only made available in still formats a year or two later, This leads to the obvious question. Is there actually more demand for Super 8 movie film than 35mm, 120 and even sheet size E-6 film?
When I was growing up in the '60's and '70's, I don't recall anyone who had a movie camera. I even had an uncle that had one of the big old Polaroids where you had to wipe the picture with the lacquer. Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market. Obviously it was used extensively for filming news events and a great deal of the combat footage from WWII was filmed on 8mm, but that market hasn't existed for decades.
When consumer video cameras first came out in the early 1980's, people who would have never have bothered with a movie camera flocked to get them. Even the huge, ungainly ones with a separate camera and a recorder that you carried in a satchel became an immediate "must have". For anyone who wanted to record their kids, or to record themselves making kids, videotape was the obvious choice. Even before the consumer models came out, news reporting had long before gone to tape.
The consumer video recorder must have devastated the market for amateur movie film. But the film companies soldiered on and continued to produce a product for a niche of a niche of a niche market. And now Kodak thinks enough folks will shell out $70+ for film and processing to merit bringing a on new movie film. So let's do a survey. How many folks will be using the movie film and how many will be shooting slides?
The industry reacted on that, as Agfa offered in 1978 a transfer service (connected to their film processing?). The customer thus got back the roll of cine film plus a VHS cassette. I do not how how successful that offer was.The consumer video recorder must have devastated the market for amateur movie film.
A very high percentage of the Kodachrome processed was movie film.
I sold more slide film than movie film, but I still sold a lot of movie film.
Movie film was a big deal.
AS you suggested : On the very beginning it was 100% Kodachrome (16mm also 35mm - last is a guess but some Films looked like) - but that was 1944/1945 : " USAF over Europe (in color)".That is an interesting and informative insight. But how much of that movie film was 16mm or perhaps even 35mm on long rolls? There have long been amateur "movie producers" out there. I'm specifically curious about the three minute snippets of 8mm film. And more to the point, the size of the market for this in 2018, not 1968.
Super-8 was a major market over here, though lesser than still projection.
One european manufacturer alone had over 6000 people only making S-8 cameras and projectors.
(At the end around 1980 still 3000.)
Yes your conclusions of Super8 demand in the past had a lack of 70th hype with Super8 Films.Since most of the discussion around the new Ektachrome has been on this forum, I figured it is the best place to post this question. As those who have anxiously followed this new release know, we are getting a new slide film as pretty much an afterthought to Kodak wanting to bring out an amateur movie film. I just recently read that Kodachrome was originally introduced as a movie film and was only made available in still formats a year or two later, This leads to the obvious question. Is there actually more demand for Super 8 movie film than 35mm, 120 and even sheet size E-6 film?
When I was growing up in the '60's and '70's, I don't recall anyone who had a movie camera. I even had an uncle that had one of the big old Polaroids where you had to wipe the picture with the lacquer. Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market. Obviously it was used extensively for filming news events and a great deal of the combat footage from WWII was filmed on 8mm, but that market hasn't existed for decades.
When consumer video cameras first came out in the early 1980's, people who would have never have bothered with a movie camera flocked to get them. Even the huge, ungainly ones with a separate camera and a recorder that you carried in a satchel became an immediate "must have". For anyone who wanted to record their kids, or to record themselves making kids, videotape was the obvious choice. Even before the consumer models came out, news reporting had long before gone to tape.
The consumer video recorder must have devastated the market for amateur movie film. But the film companies soldiered on and continued to produce a product for a niche of a niche of a niche market. And now Kodak thinks enough folks will shell out $70+ for film and processing to merit bringing a on new movie film. So let's do a survey. How many folks will be using the movie film and how many will be shooting slides?
Yes I remembered Eumig just after I asked (silly question) because B R A U N did manufacture excellent Nizo Cameras I guess I remember also a slide projectors from B R A U N butThere were two manufacturers named Braun. But instead I was hinting at a more major one, Eumig.
Given all of the expense and inconvenience to set up a screen and projector for about a three minute snippet of silent, moving images this must have always been a niche market.
I was kind of surprised that they were coming out with ektachrome in super8, and my first reaction was something along the lines of "why on earth would anyone shoot super8 these days?", but of course that is the exact response the general public gives to the idea of us shoot (still) film. It is mostly due to ignorance of the people that do still shoot these antiquated technologies. I haven't shot video/movies in several decades so I don't know how much of a market still exists, but clearly Kodak thought there was one, enough even to announce the creation of a super8 camera (even if it is still vaporware.)
As for slide film, I don't project slides, and I'm guessing most slide shooters today don't. I can print B&W at home on my enlarger, but any color I shoot is purely a hybrid process--I can't print E6 film because the tech doesn't exist anymore, and I can't print C41 color because I don't have the equipment/materials/skills. I suspect a lot of color shooters are in the same boat, living in a hybrid world. In that case it is purely about the kind of images I can take with Ektachrome/Velvia/provia vs the kind of images I can take with Ektar/Portra/400H
In my Dad's lab there was a fair amount of 16mm - advanced hobbyists and commercial work, plus of course double 8 which was actually 16mm that was exposed down one side, flipped over, exposed down the other side, developed as 16mm and then slit down the middle and spliced for return to the customer.That is an interesting and informative insight. But how much of that movie film was 16mm or perhaps even 35mm on long rolls? There have long been amateur "movie producers" out there. I'm specifically curious about the three minute snippets of 8mm film. And more to the point, the size of the market for this in 2018, not 1968.
And even longer to edit itI remember taking a film class in high school. It took me a full semester to shoot that 3 minutes of movie that was required.
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