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If it's an issue of uneven development, it needn't have happened twice: two rolls in the same tank, presumably on stacked reels. The likelihood of the same thing happening to both rolls and affecting approximately the same number of frames is actually fairly high. But (as noted) without the neg photos, this is just speculation. It's fun to play Sherlock Holmes (or Hercule Poirot) though.
 

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I find as I get older but not wiser that as I master some things I find new ways to screw up others
 

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The second 8 frames would end up around halfway down the diameter of the reel. Perhaps the film slipped out of the slot around there, causing that section of film to touch the next loop of film, preventing development. I suggest loading the Paterson reel a couple of times in room-light to check that there is no slip-out anywhere.

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I have the negatives cut in a negative page, I will made a contact sheet in a day or so.
I had an issue with a roll of Tmax 400, like 2009 or so, had dust in the emulsion, only roll of Kodak film that ever had issues with. I have shot 1000s of rolls.
It is unlikey that I messed up loading both reels, and if I had messed up a roll it would have come off stuck together and not been fixed.

I will go over my day book and double check that one roll was shot in the X700 the other in the point and shoot.

But for a thought experiment, lets say that I shot both rolls in the X700, what kind of electronic issue would lead perfect negatives for the first 7 frames, then have the shutter shoot at 1/1000th of a second or the aperture to close to F16 for 8 to 10 frames then return to normal rest of the roll, and repeat for a second roll?
 
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No, and all the frames were fixed, if the negatives were somehow stuck to together and not fixed the under developed frames would not be fixed and still gray. In the past, like in the 60s while college, have messed up winding 36ex SS reels, been using Patterson, Unicolor and SS for past 50 or so years, never had an issue.

I'm beginning to think it is a camera issue, have not had to time to double check my day book to confirm which cameras were used.
 

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"I'm beginning to think it is a camera issue, have not had to time to double check my day book to confirm which cameras were used."
It sure could be!....particularly with an electronic shutter
 

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I’m curious about if the film was sticking in the cassette. While learning about stress marks on film, I came across some information about film that has been refrigerated for a while can on rare occasions become stuck to itself. My very last roll of TMax 100 had been in the refrigerator for a little over two years. While I was exposing it, there were spots when advancing the film was difficult. It was a factory roll in a recently serviced M4. None of the other films stored the same way exhibit any problems. It may be that your two rolls of Tri-X had the same problem. Since the film was on different reels during development, that probably wasn’t when the problem happened. It would be interesting if you ran another roll of film through and see if the same thing happened again.
 
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I have found that the issue was not the film. I retraced by daybook and found that I shot both rolls with a Minolta A9000. I still have the rolls of TriX shot with the X900 and Chinon point and shoot waiting to be developed. If only I kept the rolls together I would have developed all 4 in my Unicolor film drum. I have 3 9000 bodies, one died with similar issues. Minolta like Canon EOS AF move to a lens mount that skips the aperture ring, all aperture functions are controlled by the camera. What happens is that the chip that controls the aperture fails in a very odd way, regardless of what I set, or for that the camera set while A or P mode the lens stops down depending on the lens to F16 or 22. When my first 9000 failed it failed all at once, in this case first 10 frames or so are good, then 8 to 10 underexposed by 3 or 4 stops, then remainder of the roll looks to be just fine. I cleaned the pins and lens lens connectors and set the camera on 1 second ran the aperture from 1.7 to 16 on with a 50mm lens, 22 dry fires later and still good. Maybe just a dirty connector or perhaps because of the heat, it was 98 degrees when I shot those rolls at the local zoo. I also checked the lens I used on a Sony D body, no issues. I have bulk loaded film from only God knows where that I use for my walking around film. This weekend I will run a roll though the A9000 to see if I can replicate the issue.

Sorry for posting before I had figured what had really happened.
 

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Sorry for posting before I had figured what had really happened.

Hell no, why apologize! I find that in situations like these, merely posting it and forcing yourself to think about it already helps a lot. No doubt it has catalyzed your troubleshooting process because you felt that it was really necessary to double check which camera the rolls really came from. So it was useful, wasn't it?
 

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Ok. Let's look at this a little deeper.

8 good film images
8 bad film images

There were 8 years of good film available from about 2006-2014 (digital takes over ~ 2006)
By 2014 film producers were going out of business, reducing there offerings, etc.
The good news is from 2022 on, we have 20 years of good film production going forward!

The Filmyan calendar ends after 36 years so we do not know what happens after that.
 
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