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Personally I don't believe selling prints in limited editions is automatically wrong/bad/arrogant etc. In fact I have great respect for those of you who make your living photographically. I learned early on that I did not want to depend on photography for my rent, it would have become a hated mistress. I did not want to hate photography. Consequently my work is inconsistent and spotty when viewed from the place of lifetime achievements, but I accept that because I have something to look forward to in retirement.

Back to the point of editioning. It is a valid strategy and if an artist can use it appropriately, I say go for it. Perhaps the larger issue is how to make it a workable strategy for you. The practice allows you some control over income from your own creative efforts.

Destroying one's negatives at the end of a lifetime seems the height of folly--to me. You've just guaranteed that others--and only others--will benefit from your work as time goes on. I think of my negs, good, bad, and pointless as my babies. Destroying them seems like infanticide. Perhaps that is a curious attitude from a pre-retirement white male, but it's how I feel.

hi steve

the negatives of mine that were destroyed / disassembled / evolved were self made. they weren't from a camera and developer
but scraps of this and that, ink and wax heated up, collodion drying with dye in it, sometimes merged with film &c. if i wanted to make
another print/enlargement i had to remove what was in the enlarger head so i didn't really have a choice than to disassemble/deconstruct the negative.
other things, like wax shavings that were part liquid part solid they dried and i scraped them off the plate to do something else ...
i didn't really see it as infanticide but i was done with it, and went on to the next thing to print.

after working in a portrait studio where i printed 12 or 25 or 50 or 500 5x7 ( or X" by Y") prints i came to the conclusion the last thing i wanted to do was print the same image over and over and over.
bob's idea of different tonings, media type, process images sounds perfect, every print is different and the run is small. while i don't do editions, i understand the reason to do them
and have a lot of respect for people are able to make and sell prints and not have the urge to make 1 or 12 more to release at some later date and call it a different edition ..
 

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Right now I am working with Pt Pd and then Applying Multiple, or single layers of pigment in Gum over them. These prints are impossible to match, and therefore each print has a unique status. All that is left to do is decide how many of any image is made.
I could say the exact thing about tri toned silver gelatin prints.

Therefore these prints are described as ( Unique Pigment over PT Pd ) in editions of 5 or 7. Not all the images are printed at once which gives a level of financial responsibility to keep on working on other images.

Personally I have made over 4000 images over the last 20 years that I would like to print. So for me I agree with the above poster that I will get sick of any one image if the edition is larger than 7, but I would like the chance to print them all at least once , I do not expect them all to sell so the chances of me making 28000 prints is unlikely, and believe me it I do sell that many I will be completely surprised.

I like the idea of a good solid plan, editing down to a body of work, deciding on story lines and series- the moment I started really organizing my work into groups the happier I became, and I will make some work where the edition is quite small, but at least I will have the satisfaction of printing it all at least once.
 

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I'm thinking that making numbered edition prints is mainly a marketing ploy? Do you do this? Talk to me about this please.
Itis an illusion.I stopped doing itafter reading Brook Jenson's article on the subject'How big is the edition' Just sell and keep numbering the prints in sequence until you feel it has run its course.
 

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It is my understanding that buyers of "fine art" do care about the investment side of their purchase, since ever. Collectioners of past centuries did the same. They "bet" on a certain artist (which they liked) to become famous, or more famous. The obsession for the "unicity" of the work arrived to the point that certain artists (and I think Michelangelo included) would sculpt statues and then "fake" them as ancient ones (by letting them a couple years underground and that kind of stuff) with the exact goal of selling them for more (as archaeology findings). If it is a "modern" work the sculptor (which could have been Michelangelo or whoever) might make another one "as valuable as this one".

If it is an ancient work, a modern sculptor could make a "replica" but it would always be a "replica".

So you get the point. A fine art buyer / collectioner is "by definition" a speculator, when big money is involved. The game here is to gather a collection that posterity will judge great. When you buy a young Caravaggio you don't know (you suspect) that Caravaggio is going to become Caravaggio.

On another level, when you buy a modern painting you know you buy an "unique" copy (only "unique" after the painter dies, but, yes, fairly "unique" even during his life). With modern reproduction tecniques, you can have paintings reproduced in series with all the relief, the thickness of the colour. But such a reproduction will never have the value of the "original".

In photography we have a problem, because the photographic process is "intrinsically" reproductible in unlimited numbers. This makes it intrinsically unfit for the "fine art" market, just as one could not collect, as "fine art", books or teapots however nicely made.

Enter the "limited edition" concept, and there you are, competing for the same wall space with painters!

That obviously implies either that you are already pretty decently famous, or that somebody, liking your work, "bets" on your future. But he can bet only if you create the possibility of the bet by numbering your prints.

Personally I think that declaring a series of 10 is in itself wrong. First it is not likely that you will keep your promise, gives the impression that you yourself don't believe in the saleability of your work after all, and also you will never became famous by selling 10 at a time, because in your lifetime you will produce a certain limited number of works that will make your fame, and those works must circulate, be seen, be talked about. You might declare let's say 100, and the buyer knows that, probably, you will only sell 20 or 30 in your lifetime. But that declaration puts a very important "upper floor" to the series. A print which sold 40, 50 times is maybe more valuable, for a collectioner, than a print which sold only once. The print selling 50 times made some noise, was noticed, appreciated, talked about. But the "upper floor" is important for the art buyer. If the photographer arrives to 100/100 that's very good for the buyer! Provided that now, that your print is famous, and that your bet proved right, the "artist" keeps his promise, rewarding your bet on him.
Now it's the "series" the limiting factor. The print would have sold more, but it's limited. That makes the value of the print. A print selling 100/100 is better than a print going no further than 7/100, in general. (During the lifetime of the photographer. After his passing, and if he is famous, the 7/100 will maybe be worth more).

It is my understanding that in making numbered prints one should always start with a large, very large format print. You declare a series of 100, and there you stop, if you ever reach it.
But you can, later or during the first series, start a smaller series, cheaper, that you declare, let's say, for 500 copies.
That would NOT detract from the value of the larger, more limited series. Actually, if the small print has success in the market, your large print will increase in fame and value. The success of the smaller (more numerous) series will not detract from the value of the "real original big copy, signed and very limited in number".

I'm not that kind of photographer who can ever hope to sell numbered copies. I don't even print. But to me it is evident that by numbering copies the fine-art photographer willing to sell his works is making a service to the buyer and will make his copy really "more valuable" for the buyer.

It goes without saying that the photographer absolutely must respect his promise, or he would be no more than a thief, a conman.
 
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Brooks Jensen of Lens Works fame wrote a beautiful article about this subject'What Size is the Edition?' and gave me permission to publish it in my book 'Way Beyond Monochrome'.Take a look if you can;it's very good advise from somebody who is actually selling prints.If I just had a $ for every print numbered '1 of 500'...:smile:

I just started printing a few months ago, but his thoughts really spoke to me on selling prints. I like his system, it's honest and transparent. It also gives someone like me a chance to go back to a print when my technique improves and make a second edition.
 
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