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Forbes seems to think that the world of art can be filled up. This is like the Patent Office closing because everything had already been invented. As the saying goes "He is as full of s**t as a Christmas goose."

i don't think he is sayint that at all
i think he is saying that in this day and age
people dump every photograph them make
onto the web for their peanut gallery to click LIKE
when in reality all but one of those 2000 images dumped every day
really had thought behind it, and was the reason for the shutter being depressed.
he's suggesting that while no one might care about the 1999 images dumped
the 1 that was made thoughtfully, and to keep making them because that is a great thing.
 

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i don't think he is sayint that at all
i think he is saying that in this day and age
people dump every photograph them make
onto the web for their peanut gallery to click LIKE
when in reality all but one of those 2000 images dumped every day
really had thought behind it, and was the reason for the shutter being depressed.
he's suggesting that while no one might care about the 1999 images dumped
the 1 that was made thoughtfully, and to keep making them because that is a great thing.

Direct quote from the article. “The world doesn’t need any more photographers. It doesn’t need anymore musicians, writers, filmmakers, artists or actors either. We have enough." He is talking about artists and not works of art. I recently watched a video of a young Chinese pianist, he could not have been any older than 20. He was playing the Brahms-Handel variations and making a difficult work seem effortless. I am sorry I don't care for Forbes and his opinions. I guess he feels threatened by people who actually have talent. In my book he is a consummate ass.
 
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Direct quote from the article. “The world doesn’t need any more photographers. It doesn’t need anymore musicians, writers, filmmakers, artists or actors either. We have enough." He is talking about artists and not works of art. I recently watched a video of a young Chinese pianist, he could not have been any older than 20. He was playing the Brahms-Handel variations and making a difficult work seem effortless. I am sorry I don't care for Forbes and his opinions. I guess he feels threatened by people who actually have talent. In my book he is a consummate ass.

yup a direct quote, but them he revised it later on.
maybe he does feel threatened. i am always amazed
at people who do things effortlessly. it blows my mind.
 

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What bothers me is his insistance in "making work that matters". Who is the arbiter of what matters? How many people does it have to matter to, before it's determined it matters to enough people to matter in general? ( I know... a pretty crummy sentence). Finally, it's not unusual for a photograph to become important ( i.e. matter) until years, or decades, after it was originally taken. The house you photograph today may be of little contemporary importance. Decades later, after it's gone, it may be the only record of the home the person who cured cancer was born in.
Don't pay attention to self-important bloggers. Keep making photographs which matter to one person- you.
 

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Even 50-80 photos may be a bit much for a kayak race.

I know what you're saying, and I agree a dozen or thereabouts is great to capture the essence of the event - and this does form my initial block of photos. But these are long races, 20km+, and I get a "racing portrait" of 50+ people, which is why it's about that number. People appreciate a nice shot dedicated to them.
 

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1000 pictures for a wedding, really???

I've heard three brides complain that the photographer gave them thousand(s) of photos, and this wedding pro shooter was telling me 1000, so it's clearly a common thing.
 

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I've heard three brides complain that the photographer gave them thousand(s) of photos, and this wedding pro shooter was telling me 1000, so it's clearly a common thing.

“If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit.” W. C. Fields
 

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I've heard three brides complain that the photographer gave them thousand(s) of photos, and this wedding pro shooter was telling me 1000, so it's clearly a common thing.
its VERY common to get thousands, even 15,000 images in a wedding proof set.
there are wedding photographers that charge $35,000.00 USD to photograph a wedding,
they have a masterfully crafted promotional session where they show the bride and groom the stills and video of a wedding
and that is what they are buying, an exquisite photographic blow-out.
they often times have a handful of second shooters, all shooting the same gear &c ... and then they zip through the pre-retouch/proof
showing most everything they shot. you have to give happy couple what they paid for !
then the album of the top IDK 100, then the presentation ( of hundreds or thousands of photographs ) and the video.
 

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That is really really sad.

Nothing sad about it as I am quite happy. My photography is mine. Created by myself for my own enjoyment. I have no need for other appreciation of my work for my happiness.
But what the guy said may be true as I don't care about his photography either.
 
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Nothing sad about it as I am quite happy. My photography is mine. Created by myself for my own enjoyment. I have no need for other appreciation of my work for my happiness.
But what the guy said may be true as I don't care about his photography either.
That too is very sad.
 

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The photo critic A D Coleman once bragged that he was uniquely suited to critique photographs since he had never taken a photograph. I am still trying to get my mind around that.
 

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Presumably he's saying it makes him impartial as he has no personal stake in it. Easiest to judge something objectively from the outside

Same as you don't want a restaurant critic owning the restaurant across the road.
 

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Every time I see the title of this post, I can't help thinking of those great lyrics from a B.B. King song...."nobody loves me but my mama, and she could be jivin' too".



Sing it B. B.! Who cares what other people think? We all have to stand in our own shoes, and live our own lives, photographically and otherwise. As we always said back home, if somebody ain't putting food on my table, keeping a roof over my head, or keeping me warm at night, then they ain't got NO business being in MY business. I'm payin the cost to be the boss. That's how it is. And if my photos are good enough for me and somebody else don't like it, than that's the end, period, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.
 
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What bothers me is his insistance in "making work that matters". Who is the arbiter of what matters? How many people does it have to matter to, before it's determined it matters to enough people to matter in general? ( I know... a pretty crummy sentence). Finally, it's not unusual for a photograph to become important ( i.e. matter) until years, or decades, after it was originally taken. The house you photograph today may be of little contemporary importance. Decades later, after it's gone, it may be the only record of the home the person who cured cancer was born in.
Don't pay attention to self-important bloggers. Keep making photographs which matter to one person- you.

+1
I don't think Vivian Maier ever thought that her street photographs would become important.

I shoot banalities, I like banalities because it's what life is made of.
 
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I love Teds show but I am a little tired of these other youtube experts that can't take a decent photo but act like they are something special. I really like Ben Horne show as well he gets out there and shoots. Talk the talk walk the walk.
 

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I did watch the entire video the first time and again just now. Nowhere do I see how he agrees with my conclusion of "Some people do like and care about others' work. Not every shot needs to be intended for art galleries."

Instead, he states: "Work that matters is important and that's what every photographer should be striving for." Also, he agrees with "no more easy shots" and adds "you should be pushing yourself."

I completely disagree with this. For most, photography is a pleasant hobby and a person should do whatever brings them the most enjoyment out of it - whether it's happy snaps of a vacation, or an intense study of the Zone System in an attempt to emulate Ansel Adams.

At the end he states again: "you need to make pictures that matter." Again I disagree: I make photos to satisfy myself; if others like them (and some have), great. I get to choose how much effort I put into the hobby.

I did notice the cameras on the shelf in the background. I won't criticize him for that, as I've got a metric tonne of them on shelves as well. What was amusing was that he had them lit by spotlights.

You don't seem to know Ted very well and you are looking at this from only your own perspective.
Look at the extensive amount of videos he has done, he covers a LOT of topics in the realm of photography.

He is not another youtube-tech vlog, but a photography vlog with interesting discussions and topics and a big chunk of his videos are about the work of past known and not so known photographers, styles and expressions.
He covers various cameras too, from a photography standpoint and he also (important) cover analog photography, cameras and processes. (like this video, about TLR-type of cameras, many of the younger viewers have never even seen one before and it's very cool that he makes an effort to introduce this to a new generation: )

So what if he has cameras behind him, it's a photography vlog and he actually uses the cameras in the background.
80% of his former videos has been in-front of a bare wall, then in-front of a bunch of boxes (after he moved), it's the latest videos that has the cameras behind him, cameras that would sit in plastic boxes somewhere, until it was time to use them.

What is the point of the criticism?

Take a look at some of his past shows about other photographers and you immediately know that this guy tries to expands people's brain and thinking around many aspects of photography.
I don't ever think he has stated that "I am right", but rather "I think....what do you think", which is a great way to pass on knowledge and make people think a little for themselves.

I think Ted is often right in his conclusions (although he rarely concludes too hard on stuff, but opens up a subject for further thought or discussion).

Heck, he is the only Vlog I could be bother to subscribe to on youtube. ^^

And he does his own work, regarding photography, but since he quit his job as a teacher, he has been putting a lot of effort into his Vlog and Vlog-related activities (you know, to be able to eat), so I am not sure how often he shoots these days.

Here's a follow up to the vlog we are discussing:
 
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Well stated, Helinophoto! I wish there were more people like Ted on the internet, with a genuine love for all aspects of photography and cameras.
 

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Hhmmmmm...seems to be a lot of overreacting.
If you asked the bulk of society, i would say that most of them Would Not Care About Your Photography.
Is that so shocking or surprising...why would they.?
1. How many Painters/Sculptors/Poets/Guitar Players/Rap Stars/Clothing Designers do you guys lose sleep over.?
2. I believe Ted said that.....A Friend Of his commented To Him that ..."Nobody cares about your photography".
He was merely stating a fact, and trying to inspire new photographers to find a niche, and create a style of their own.....something to distinguish yourself from the other Thousands upon Thousands upon Tens Of Thousands of other photographers that are pumping out "photographs".......Day after Day after Day.
 

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I love Teds show but I am a little tired of these other youtube experts that can't take a decent photo but act like they are something special. I really like Ben Horne show as well he gets out there and shoots. Talk the talk walk the walk.
People who make money from YouTube have to produce content or people stop watching. High quality content is a challenge for major terrestrial broadcasters with big budgets, for someone with a 'Tube channel it usually boils down to sponsored camera reviews, or saying the same thing a hundred different ways. Great photographers like Trent Parke and Josef Koudelka spend their life taking pictures and only manage to produce publishable work every few years. Good luck to anyone who can monetise their hobby without selling out and keeping the standard even half good.
 

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I never thought of what I generate as "work". It's more like creative accidents occurring during a drunken stupor.:surprised:
 
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