Nikon To Discontinue Most Film Cameras and Related Accessories

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Daniel Lawton

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Either way you look at it, the fact that one of the 2 35mm "superpowers" is eradicating most of its film related products is dissapointing. If a steady supply of cheap goods on the internet can cause Nikon to do this, then it can happen to every film camera company out there. If there are no new products being made and bought, then eventually it will get to the point where it becomes difficult to find used products in good condition and for reasonable prices.
 

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I suspect the absolute flood of used good condition F100's is a major reason for Nikon. I know that over on the LJ photo communities the usual answer to 'what film camera should I buy' questions is almost always either a used F100 or a used K1000. The only time the answer is different is when the asker is a Canon user, when it's usually a new Rebel T2.

I also doubt they'd been selling large amount of AI-S glass these days.
 

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Gutted...

I have an F80 which I love dearly. Now if anything happens to it I'll be at the mercy of the secondhand market.

I understand why Nikon are doing this, but it's a very sad day.
 

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A logical decision!
Like it or not, but face it, analogue don`t sell anymore as a new item!
The second hand market is huge, there are millions of film cameras outhere, we have alot to choose from!


Cheers

André
 

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What about when it becomes hard to find a decent second hand model at a good price, its likely to happen eventually, that is why I thought Nikon would, just streamline the list of camera to somthing more realistic.
 

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Even though I use Nikon manual focus bodies, I'm not concerned about this at all. The F6 isn't my cup of tea (autofocus, no interchangable finders, doesn't play well with older lenses), and I'm sure that F3 and FM series bodies will be around for a long, long time.
 

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Keep in mind--the more electronics in the body, the shorter lifespan you can reasonable expect.

In 10 years, when a board goes out, the camera is likely toast. I wouldn't be surprised if the old manual bodies outlast the newer AF ones.

Matt
 

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Interesting times. Clearly we are on the cusp of a wave. Nikon have reduced their film presence to the minimum, but the have not completely abandoned it. Time will tell how this one settles, but the fact is that analog photography will be around for as long as human beings want to use it. Who knows, in a decade or so there may even be an analog revival, when digital reaches some kind of plateau. Stranger things have happened... Right now, look on the bright side. It is a great time to be an analog photographer!
 

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bobfowler said:
Even though I use Nikon manual focus bodies, I'm not concerned about this at all. The F6 isn't my cup of tea (autofocus, no interchangable finders, doesn't play well with older lenses), and I'm sure that F3 and FM series bodies will be around for a long, long time.

I agree. Online auction sites are still the good old free market/junkyard, but everywhere else that smells like business, people have already figured out the way to live and make money.

It seems to me that quite a a handful of used camera shops in Japan are surviving on taking extra cleaning, overhauling, and Ai Conversion fees for some of the older Nikon products, and that basically has lifted the bottom-line price setting.

I wonder, if the original (still usable) condition of an old Nikkor Auto 50mm lens would sell for 50 bucks, why would you bother to charge 80, 90 bucks more to get it completely cleaned at this point? As a user's stand point, I could still use it as it is as long as it remained 50 bucks!

But quite often I find a lens that's recently cleaned and overhauled according to the store clerk, but it apparently has some dust in it. I think I understand the difficulty of what they are going through: They perhaps want to create a new generation of antique myth with the old Nikon SLR lineup.

I think eventually that will lead us users to a point where we'll have to start thinking how to assemble camera and lens parts like repair technicians do. I personally don't mind buying a junk camera and a lens for very little money and learn how to do the repairing myself. :wink:
 

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I think I will buy a new N80 while I have the chance. I've found that my F5 is just too big and too heavy to carry when I am traveling. I have to admit, this isn't unexpected, although I wish they would keep at least one consumer 35mm still in production (like the N80).
 

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I hate to admit it, but I've not sent Nikon a dime of my money in a very long time. The last new Nikkor I bought was over 20 years ago, and the last body I bought was even earlier than that. I think their decision makes perfect sense, and I wish them good luck. I wish it wasn't so, but honestly their decision has no impact at all on me (other than a probable jump in prices for used gear for the next few months as a bit of panic buying occurs).

The only downside that I can see is that we're likely to see lenses with aperture rings slowly disappearing from their catalog over the next few years. Today you can still use a lot of new Nikkor lenses on an old film body, but I doubt that will be the case within 5-10 years. They'll have to keep at least one cheap zoom with an aperture ring as long as they're selling the FM10, but something tells me that the only reason they aren't ditching that body is that they're probably under contract with Cosina to continue building it for a while longer. The aperture ring is unnecessary with the digital bodies and with the F6, so it makes little sense to continue putting it on lenses when your cameras don't require it.

Once the F6 goes (oh, how I hate the thought of that day), Nikon won't have any reason to continue making lenses that cover 35mm film unless they bring out a full frame digital camera. I don't follow the digital realm enough to know if that's likely...last year someone at Nikon mentioned that they had no plans to do so, but things change too fast to rely on what was said last year.

There are Cosina/Voigtlander lenses available for the Nikon F mount, and the Zeiss "ZF" lenses are coming, so if you really want a new lens you'll have choices for a while. (I would really like to know what the full story is with Zeiss bringing out the ZF lenses at the same time Nikon's ditching most of the film bodies...the timing on this is just too precious. Was there a back room deal? Did Nikon do this to spite Zeiss? I could spend all evening just thinking up interesting scenarios.)

The problem that I see coming in short order is that I cannot imagine Zeiss will stay in the Nikon lens game for long if they don't sell many lenses...and Zeiss glass is traditionally very expensive. Some people will buy it...I might even pony up for a wide angle if the price isn't too out of control...but I just can't see Zeiss making enough money on Nikon manual focus lenses to keep them interested. I can imagine myself buying a Zeiss 21mm or 25mm f/2.8 wideangle lens for $250 or so as Zeiss has always done nice wide angle lenses...but I can't imagine Zeiss selling the lenses at that price point. I hope I'm wrong.

Well, I've rambled enough. I own more Nikkor lenses than anyone needs, the only Nikon LF lenses that I care about are the APO process lenses which haven't been made in a long time, and I already own all of the Nikon enlarging lenses that I want...so as much as I hate to admit it, Nikons decision doesn't impact me a single bit. I suppose that's how they got to this point...people like me who loved the cameras and lenses but bought them on the used market because they were so well made that they last a very long time.

We live in interesting times.

Be well.
Dave
 

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Dave,

"The D2X is a full frame that was introduced late last year."


I don't think that's correct. The D2X has a 23.7 mm x 15.7 mm CMOS chip.

Best,
Helen
 
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Helen B said:
Dave,

"The D2X is a full frame that was introduced late last year."


I don't think that's correct. The D2X has a 23.7 mm x 15.7 mm CMOS chip.

Best,
Helen

Hi Helen,

I am sure your right, I was basing my statement on an article I read a while back, but my knowledge of digital cameras is very limited..and no one else needs to eleaborate, again, I admit when it comes to digital cameras, my knowledge is very limited...

Thanks

Dave
 

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Yep, it's true. It snaked across the bottom of the tv on CNN. You can read their report on CNN.COM and just type Nikon in the search.

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Gah, I had not even thought of aperture rings - but yes, given that Nikon has stated they want to do a next gen of their primes with AF-S at some point I can certainly see them doigh those as G lens. So at some point, the supply of new lens that work on manual bodies will stop. However, that does not seem to be close at hand and a number of manual focus lens (never mind all the non-G lens) still reain in production.

Nikon would not need to keep a aperture-ringed lens in te lineup just because of fm10, as afaict the zoom it ships with is made by whoever (Cosina?) makes fm10.
 

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I wonder what the future of 35mm Nikon lenses will be. Several have mentioned Nikon AF lenses, G lenses, etc. However, since Nikon doesn't produce a full frame DSLR, what incentive is there to continue producing lenses for that size camera. Lenses designed for the smaller digital format won't work on 35mm SLRs, so we could be looking at Nikon discontinuing their 35mm lenses as well, sometime in the future.

BTW here is the link from Nikon USA: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=130907&TICK=NIKON&STORY=/www/story/01-11-2006/0004247596&EDATE=Jan+11,+2006
 

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I am sad but not surprised at what Nikon did. The accountants won, if I was the product manager I would have only discontinue about half the SLR line up especially in the opening price point and kept the FM3a as the status camera. The main reason why that camera tanked was the fact there are zillions of FM's and FM2's out there.
Then again I shoot with F's and F2's so what do I care, all my glass is non ai and they have not made that going on 30 years.

Bill
 
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What came to my mind was the big sale of FDs which was done when canon ceased manual focus SLRs.
I dropped at a local camera shop (a big one called "Yodobashi Camera") and had a little conversation with a clerk. He said Nikon doesn't seem to have clearance sale.
Am I the only one who expected that ?
 

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Nikon to discontinue all film cameras except F6 and FM10!

Big blow to the film industry. Nikon has annouced that it has discontinued production of all film cameras except the F6 and FM10 to concentrate on digital. Wonder if others will follow Nikon and exit the film camera business?
 

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Elvis said:
Wonder if others will follow Nikon and exit the film camera business?

Well, look around. Kodak has discontinued b&w paper, and is making more and more digital products. Canon is mostly digital cameras now and are in a tight struggle with Nikon for the emerging digital market. Pentax is probably an iffy one if you ask me. It is perfectly feasible that digital will eventaully replace the 35mm market. This probably could explain why Canon and Nikon are getting away from film now. But this might be a boon in disguise. It might make the film market concentrate on medium and large format photographers. But who knows.

Drew
 
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Are we going to have antoher extensive conversation on this subject????

We have had two long threads, in addition to a poll about when you bought your last 35mm camera in the last two days...

So do we really need to have another? The search function does work quite well, you might take a look around.

Dave
 

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Hey, interesting topic. I dont see why we cant discuss it some more...

I guess only Nikon know what their sales numbers are looking like, so only they will know how wise a choice they have made. As I have mentioned elsewhere it is telling that they haven't completely abandoned film camera and lens manufacture, just finely focussed their product line. If there are sales to be made in the analog industry then you can rest assured that cameras, film, paper and all the rest will continue to be made and sold. Perhaps not Nikon as much as in the past. Voiglander is looking good to grow its 35mm market share though. The market will change but there will be a market for many years to come. And if there is not it will be because nobody wants it.
 
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antielectrons said:
Hey, interesting topic. I dont see why we cant discuss it some more...

Did not say don't discuss it, not that I see what it accomplishes, another big company has made a corperate choice to follow a different path, what I said, was it had been discussed, and some of the information being passed, may have already been posted.

Dave
 

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Should I combine all three "Nikon to discontinue all film cameras" threads and then make it sticky?;-p
 
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