Nikon F6 updates

[George Mann]

The M7 has a stepless shutter in AE and is incredibly accurate. As a matter of fact, I have NEVER had a badly exposed shot out of it. It's always right on.

All the other Ms have stepless shutters as well, but you can't quite know at what value you are at exactly. But the important thing is that when you set it between 1/60 and 1/125, you know it is exposing at 1/90 give or take some. It is indeed between those two speeds and not at either 1/60 or 1/125th.

Good to know. Thanks.

 

[Arthurwg]

[QUOTE="miha, post: 2329953, member: 18788"
There is one niche left for film, and that is FINE ART. And the f6 will always be beat by a nice mechanical Baby for fine art photography. Fine art being film, from shooting all the way to printing. The whole craft.

Try to remember: "Fine Art" has nothing to do with capture, either analog, digital, water colors, pencil, etching, wood cut, oil or acrylic. Art of any kind is the IDEA coupled with a SENSIBILITY.

 

[NB23]

It’s the whole process.

I need the correct tool for my pilgrimage. The one that will fit within my frame of mind. This is tremendous.

My cameras which have been carefuly chosen are far more than just objects. This is why I choose a particular Rolleiflex for the day. Will it be a Xenotar? A xenar? Planar or Novar?

Which summilux? V1 or V3? M7 or M4?

I may sound silly, and I won’t even go in my equipment list because it is quite spectacular and I don’t feel it is appropriate to list such a spectacular list to strangers. But let’s say that if I could own a few porsches, Range rovers and hummers, I would. And each of them would be chosen by my mood-du-jour, and my life would be grandiose.

To go back to the topic, the F6 is always last on my list. It kills my inspiration. I’m like that.

 

[mshchem]

That is as maybe but I don't have a D6 nor do I want one. I prefer film and I don't waste/use frames like a machine gunner uses bullets. My subjects don't tend to move very quickly which is why I have the F6 on single shot all the time. I wager I have a higher success rate with single exposures, than using it than you do on on motordrive. Think of my use being like a single shot sniper and can get what I want with one shutter action instead of point and shoot 10 or 20 times.

On top of that My F6 and for that matter my F100 are both several years old but both will be working far longer than your plastic machine gun. I make every shot count if I can, the skill with film is in my head and fingers working in a darkroom not some pre programmed software to make it work. Even my venerable D700 still has less than 8000 shutter activations since it was new it does all I want at very little cost to me.

I've had a darkroom in continuous use for over 40 years. I was out this week with Hasselblad, one back loaded with Velvia 100, the other with Ektachrome. I process my own. The point is well taken that at 14 frames per second, one would need a bulk film back. But man, a film camera with the latest electronics would be pretty cool. All I use my digital cameras for are taking pictures of my cats yawning and such. I have never figured out how to print without film, the bigger the better. I use my F5's for slides on trips, auto bracket 1/2 stop. Easy,

 

[mshchem]

Are you sure? Stepless means a camera can shoot at any speed variable outside of its normally mark steps.

An example would be a speed variation of 1/277 or 1/46 of a second, while the camera is limited to 1/250 and 1/30 in manual mode.

Nikon F2 has a purely mechanical shutter that is continuously variable between 1/80 and 1/2000th second. Old School.

 

[mshchem]

[QUOTE="miha, post: 2329953, member: 18788"
There is one niche left for film, and that is FINE ART. And the f6 will always be beat by a nice mechanical Baby for fine art photography. Fine art being film, from shooting all the way to printing. The whole craft.

Try to remember: "Fine Art" has nothing to do with capture, either analog, digital, water colors, pencil, etching, wood cut, oil or acrylic. Art of any kind is the IDEA coupled with a SENSIBILITY.

Well said.

 

[Auer]

I certainly appreciate a fine piece of art.

 

[George Mann]

Nikon F2 has a purely mechanical shutter that is continuously variable between 1/80 and 1/2000th second. Old School.

Yes, but the speeds fail to be repeatably accurate outside of it's fixed stops.

This however may not be a liability in actual use.

 

[mshchem]

Yes, but the speeds fail to be repeatably accurate outside of it's fixed stops.

This however may not be a liability in actual use.

Good point, it's just to use to match the needle on the meter.

 

[Huss]

The M7 has a stepless shutter in AE and is incredibly accurate. As a matter of fact, I have NEVER had a badly exposed shot out of it. It's always right on.

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I have obtained better exposures from my M7 than my F6 (with the F6 in matrix mode).

 

[Huss]

How come no-one has mentioned the superiority of the Leica 50mm APO?

 

[pentaxuser]

[QUOTE="miha, post: 2329953, member: 18788"
There is one niche left for film, and that is FINE ART. And the f6 will always be beat by a nice mechanical Baby for fine art photography.
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I may have misunderstood your above sentence but I think you are saying that the F6 will be beat by an all mechanical camera every time . Is this for FINE ART only or for other kinds of photography? What is is about a nice mechanical BABY that beats the F6 and what nice mechanical BABIES fall into the nice BABY category and why ?

I have a nice mechanical BABY in my Agfa Isolette I but I would be stretching a point to say it will always beat a F6

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[Arthurwg]

Unfortunately that was not my quote but came from somebody else. My quote can be found in #127.

 

[pentaxuser]

Unfortunately that was not my quote but came from somebody else. My quote can be found in #127.

Thanks Arthur

pentaxuser

 

[etn]

Haha, we're now arguing over whose camera is "more analog"!

Most probably, the less autofocus, the less auto film advance, the less fancy metering, the more analog

 

[pentaxuser]

Most probably, the less autofocus, the less auto film advance, the less fancy metering, the more analog

So has the late Fox-Talbot got the the most analogue camera in the world or is that Nicephore Niepce?

pentaxuser

 

[George Mann]

So has the late Fox-Talbot got the the most analogue camera in the world or is that Nicephore Niepce?

pentaxuser

My Contaflex III doesn't have any of those things, let alone a meter!

 

[f8&bthere]

Regarding the F6: I suspect that Thom Hogan's take is likely accurate. Specifically, that the F6 has not been discontinued, but is no longer being sold and distributed in Europe because several components for the F6 do not meet newer EU regulations.

 

[Billy Axeman]

Regarding the F6: I suspect that Thom Hogan's take is likely accurate. Specifically, that the F6 has not been discontinued, but is no longer being sold and distributed in Europe because several components for the F6 do not meet newer EU regulations.

That is a bit over the top. There was a recall for a limited range of serial numbers because of a substance dibutyl phthate (DBP) was exceeding the standard value specified in the European RoHS Directive.

Nikon: For customers who love the film SLR camera "F6"
https://www.nikon-image.com/support/whatsnew/2020/0715.html
July 15, 2020

 

[f8&bthere]

I don't see how that particular idiom - "over the top" - applies here. There was nothing "extreme" in that post.

Moreover, it does nothing to refute Hogan's supposition - which I find plausible - that production of the F6 likely has not been discontinued, only distribution and sales in Europe. That the only actual reports of the F6 being discontinued have thus far come from Europe [which have been repeated ad nauseum by various blogs around the globe] lends credence IMO to that supposition.

 

[pentaxuser]

Billy's post suggests that the discontinuation was specific to a limited range and not to the model per se. So the conclusion I would draw is that future sales in Europe will depend on Nikon's decision as to what it does about the EU's position. Presumably only if Nikon chooses not to address the EU's concerns will the position be that there will be no future sales or no compromise can be reached ?

pentaxuser

 

[Billy Axeman]

Billy's post suggests that the discontinuation was specific to a limited range and not to the model per se. So the conclusion I would draw if that future sales in Europe will depend on Nikon's decision as to what it does about the EU's position. Presumably only if Nikon chooses not to address the EU's concerns will the position be that there will be no future sales or no compromise can be reached ?
pentaxuser

It is a specific range of cameras and the issue is resolved by a recall. It has nothing to do with any possible discontinuation at all.

 

[iakustov]

I bought a brand new F6 about three months ago and I can only second what real owners said above, it's a magnificent tool. I had to sell Contax G2 kit and Rolleiflex 2.8D to get F6 plus few Nikkor lenses. But looking at the projected slides, I can only say that I will never regret that move. All that 'F6 is not analog enough' is a complete nonsense and envy. I hope those will remain just rumours about F6 discontinuation.
35mm film is pure fun for me, for serious things I use slow medium and large format (which is a different fun).

 

[Billy Axeman]

I don't see how that particular idiom - "over the top" - applies here. There was nothing "extreme" in that post.

Moreover, it does nothing to refute Hogan's supposition - which I find plausible - that production of the F6 likely has not been discontinued, only distribution and sales in Europe. That the only actual reports of the F6 being discontinued have thus far come from Europe [which have been repeated ad nauseum by various blogs around the globe] lends credence IMO to that supposition.

This is all in the rumors and clickbait category and it has no value. It is not interesting what Tom Hogan says, and definitely not what retailers say, and it does not become more truthful by repeating it. Same for the suggestion that the F6 was discontinued because of safety issues, which is a fairy tale (hence my comment). The F6 is only discontinued when Nikon Japan says it is discontinued and when that is published on their web site, and until now that is not the case.

 

[pentaxuser]

It is a specific range of cameras and the issue is resolved by a recall. It has nothing to do with any possible discontinuation at all.

Thanks, so was the recall Nikon's decision due to its mistake in the value of DBP in a specific range. Presumably this means that because the DBP exceeds the regulated EU permitted quantity it has to alter this for all its F6s as it would not make sense or would it, to have a production process that tailored this quantity of DBP differently for different markets?

It may have been a simple mistake on Nikon's part of course in that there was more DBP in all of its F6s than it intended

The key question is: Has Nikon actually recalled the cameras from Europe and agreed to meet the EU regulation so that F6s will continue to be sold in the EU ?

pentaxuser