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I took the MB23 bottom battery pack/grip off my F4 and put on the smaller MB20 battery pack. That made the camera quite a bit lighter. If I was 20 years younger the extra weight would not be a problem, but now I have to watch the weight of my kit. Ounces quickly add up to pounds.

I similarly removed the motor drive from my F3, to reduce the weight. My thumb is fast enough for what I shoot.
 

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^If you haven't already, switch to the lithium AA batteries that Eveready sells. The Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries. Yeah, $12, plus tax for four of them, but the camera will feel like it has no batteries in it.

Anyway, if anyone wants one (or another), I've popped mine up in the classifieds. I'm switching back to manual focus only, body-wise, execept for the off-topic stuff. May return to the F4/F5/F6 world later.

-J
 

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Went out yesterday and today with my new used F4s and took a bunch of pictures, more than I have for a very long time.


I paid $2700Cdn for my original F4s when they first came out almost 30 years ago now. It saw me through my weekend wedding warrior phase without ever letting me down. With this second $50 F4, I'll be less fussy when using it. The F4 is my favourite Nikon camera because it retained traditional controls - no menus.
Yeah...it's kind of mind blowing when you think about How Much these "Professional" camera bodies cost. And these prices are 25-50 years old...!!
I have Almost bought an F4...probably 100 different times. It would probably be good for me for a few reasons.
I do need rapid fire sometimes.
The "advanced" metering would be nice to have in certain scenarios.
If i had an F4, i most likely would not need my F3.....it is very similar to my F2, and i "never" use Aperture Priority. Seems like an F4 makes the F3 redundant... in My Situation anyway.

That was an awesome deal you got. No doubt (sooner or later) you will find a battery tray or an entire F4 beater that is so cheap you can just snag the whole camera.
I am still looking at your original F4 price. Who would have Ever Thought they would be this cheap.?
 

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Yeah...it's kind of mind blowing when you think about How Much these "Professional" camera bodies cost. And these prices are 25-50 years old...!!
I have Almost bought an F4...probably 100 different times. It would probably be good for me for a few reasons.
I do need rapid fire sometimes.
The "advanced" metering would be nice to have in certain scenarios.
If i had an F4, i most likely would not need my F3.....it is very similar to my F2, and i "never" use Aperture Priority. Seems like an F4 makes the F3 redundant... in My Situation anyway.

That was an awesome deal you got. No doubt (sooner or later) you will find a battery tray or an entire F4 beater that is so cheap you can just snag the whole camera.
I am still looking at your original F4 price. Who would have Ever Thought they would be this cheap.?

I've thought about this a lot recently, the F4 and F3 and their relationship to the other F series cameras.

I have all the single digit F's up to the F5 in my cabinet. I also have some Olympus OM bodies, and Canon stuff to compare it all to.

I like all the Nikon F bodies but for most things prefer manual focus. I just don't shoot much anymore where auto focus matters. With that in mind the F4 and F3 both become somewhat redundant to each other.

The F2 is a wonderful camera with a fantastic solid feel. The F is wonderful too but with the F2 Nikon took care of a couple ergonomic issues which makes it the better user (my opinion only). The F3 is a solid dependable camera but too me just doesn't feel as solid. I do like the aperture priority though, and mine being an HP, I really like the viewfinder.

The F4 though has found itself in a bit of a tight spot. Many tout it as being the best Nikon for manual focus lenses and it will allow you to mount pretty much anything. Problem is, that once you mount anything prior to a P lens your stuck with manual or aperture priority metering. Thus the F4 becomes an F3 with a big grip and lots more weight. Matrix metering is I think available but I'm not convinced that's such a big deal beyond the doors of Nikons marketing department. Things aren't any better for the F4 if your wanting auto focus. Its just not that great at it, at least not in those instances where AF is a big help. Speed is king, and the F4 just isn't as fast as an F5.

So my F4S mostly sat in the cabinet unused. A good friend who used to have and love an F4 told me I should get an MB-20, that as a smaller camera I's love the thing. So I finally found one (MB-20) that wasn't quite as stupidly expensive as usual and bought it. 3 freaking days later, Japan to Colorado (amazing...), I had it on the camera. Turned it into a heavy F3 with a big grip... Oh well. And yeah I've mentioned that big grip a couple times. I have large hands and find the F5 an easy thing to haul around a race track all day, but the F4's grip is just too fat. It's size also makes it very hard to reach a finger across the access the depth of field preview button, which is a nice thing to get to if you want to use older pre AI lenses on the thing. The F5's grip just fits me. The camera just hangs off my fingers, I don't really have to "grip" at all. Ergonomically its almost as perfect in my hand as the Canon T90.

At this point I expect the F4 and maybe the F3 also to be sold. The F will stay just because its an F. The F2 for much the same reason with the fact that its also an amazing camera thrown in. I wont be selling it on, but I do want to send it to Sover. Weird really. The Canon F1 is I think a slightly better camera, but the differences between the two are quite minimal, the F2 is just too cool. The F5 too will stay. That's the need for speed do everything camera. I used to have a Canon EOS 1n but it was too like the F5, and didn't feel as good in my hand so I moved it on.

So much for my quiet Sunday rambling. YMMV and all that, the above is just one guys opinion.
 
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The F4s has been with me in the bag I pick up and place in the car when I go out to where there may be photographic possibilities since I got it and glued up the battery tray. One thing that I like about the F4 is the focus confirmation light. I only have/use manual focus lenses. In the bag with the F4 are Nikkor/Nikon 20, 28, 50E, and 100E lenses.

The second last time that I was out with the F4s, I pulled it out of the bag and the shutter wouldn't fire. A red light on the left top deck would blink when I tried again. Later at home, I figured out that rewind lever (R1) was engaged, probably happened while pulling it out of the bag.

My confidence in the F4s was tested somewhat, but it redeemed itself because the problem was an operator fault.
 

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I never really thought about it before, but.....i suppose the F4 was the first camera (for Nikon) that Did Not have a film advance lever on it.?
 
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I never really thought about it before, but.....i suppose the F4 was the first camera (for Nikon) that Did Not have a film advance lever on it.?

Correct. But it does retain the film rewind crank as an option.
 

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Is there a way to "De-Cock" cameras that have auto Wind /Advance.?
Maybe "modern" cameras do not have a problem with being cocked for long periods.?
 

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Is there a way to "De-Cock" cameras that have auto Wind /Advance.?
Maybe "modern" cameras do not have a problem with being cocked for long periods.?

Hasseblads were designed to be stored in the cocked state.
 

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^If you haven't already, switch to the lithium AA batteries that Eveready sells. The Energizer Ultimate Lithium batteries. Yeah, $12, plus tax for four of them, but the camera will feel like it has no batteries in it.

Anyway, if anyone wants one (or another), I've popped mine up in the classifieds. I'm switching back to manual focus only, body-wise, execept for the off-topic stuff. May return to the F4/F5/F6 world later.

-J
I would have bought that if I didn't already buy one via ebay. That showed up today. That seems to be defective so I am returning it. With a roll of film that I use to test 'new' cameras, my F4 does not have correct shutter timing in Shutter priority mode. If I set it to 4 sec it shoots at what sounds like 1/250. Actually any speed below 1/2 sec sounds like that. When I put it in manual mode, it times correctly. I then made sure to meter in manual - 2 sec at f32 with a Nikon 60 2.8 AF-S lens - shot a frame - and the exposure to ear timed out correctly. Then I set it to shutter speed setting, the VF readout showed the same 2 sec at f32, but the actual exposure timed out to ear at about 1/250 or faster. (tested indoors)
Film in camera, ISO set to 100. So I started the ebay return.

Interestingly, for all the grief I've read about the F4's AF, it seems perfectly fine to me. Sure it only has one spot, but the speed it achieved focus seemed the same as my F6.
I may pick up another, even though shooting it back to back to the F6, well, the F6 really is something.
 

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I never really thought about it before, but.....i suppose the F4 was the first camera (for Nikon) that Did Not have a film advance lever on it.?
Not too sure about that.

I have my 1984 purchased Nikon L35/AF, brilliant little number, sharp as a tack lens, just a bit of an issue if you don't turn it off; the battery goes flat.

Doesn't have a wind on lever, nor does it have a rewind mechanism. Battery driven motor all the way.

Mick.
 

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Hasseblad.?:smile:
Do they use a motor drive.?
......What about a Nikon F4.?

Sure, the motorized ones like my 553ELX do -- as do all of them all the way back to the 500 EL/M. After the exposure, the shutter in the lens is re-cocked.

Similarly, every Hasselblad lens I've bought new arrived in a cocked state in its box - so it may have sat for years that way before being sold.

Never had a problem with a Hasselblad lens.

The F4, and every autofocus Nikon since, winds the film and recocks the shutter after exposure. Canon as well. Doesn't seem to be a problem.
 
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Even farther back. The 500EL was the original motorized 'blad.

You can uncock an F4, but it means that the mirror remains locked up. Fire it on T, then turn it off. Rotate the shutter speed dial to a different setting. Shutter closes, but it doesn't advance.

-J
 

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I never really thought about it before, but.....i suppose the F4 was the first camera (for Nikon) that Did Not have a film advance lever on it.?

Were the F301 and F501 not out well before the F4?

Ronnie
 

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Recalled this thread, I don't know if any of you noticed but 3 weeks ago some quite popular Youtube Channels made videos praising the F4.
Used to take a look at them and I see that price has shot up and supply dried out a bit. Oh well.
Were the F301 and F501 not out well before the F4?

Ronnie
But they weren't the single digit pro models, thus less regarded and memorable?
 

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Recalled this thread, I don't know if any of you noticed but 3 weeks ago some quite popular Youtube Channels made videos praising the F4.
Used to take a look at them and I see that price has shot up and supply dried out a bit. Oh well.

But they weren't the single digit pro models, thus less regarded and memorable?
Yeah...poor details on my part i suppose. I was referring to the F Lineage of, as you say, "Pro" 35mm SLR.
 

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Since this is a F4 thread, I guess there's no better place to post this:

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Got this at my local second hand store for the equivalent of US$60. Store manager was selling it as a display piece and couldn't guarantee if it's functional, but I just can't walk away from such a minty set like this at this price. Popped a few AAs in the moment I got back and it worked flawlessly.

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Problem is, I don't have any F-mount lens, and I'm not a big fan of the bulk and weight (6 AA batteries!). It is however one of the more comfortable cameras I've held in a while, the ergonomics are great. I've since sold it to fund other camera purchases, but it is not without a tinge of sadness in my heart. The F4 is truly an icon.
 

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Yeah...poor details on my part i suppose. I was referring to the F Lineage of, as you say, "Pro" 35mm SLR.
Not at all, please don't feel grieved if I read as blunt. Just wanted to note that the flagships are a great way to make new features quite visible.

Since this is a F4 thread, I guess there's no better place to post this:

Got this at my local second hand store for the equivalent of US$60. Store manager was selling it as a display piece and couldn't guarantee if it's functional, but I just can't walk away from such a minty set like this at this price. Popped a few AAs in the moment I got back and it worked flawlessly.

Problem is, I don't have any F-mount lens, and I'm not a big fan of the bulk and weight (6 AA batteries!). It is however one of the more comfortable cameras I've held in a while, the ergonomics are great. I've since sold it to fund other camera purchases, but it is not without a tinge of sadness in my heart. The F4 is truly an icon.
Well, you can get a nice profit just by reselling, given the recent hype on the F4. :D I haven't quite followed the prices these weeks, but single bodies in Europe listed for 250€ aren't selling, but the 100-150€ ones don't appear anymore (d'oh just remember there's a sold listing option to check prices).

I got a F80 to throw around mercilessly ($30 kit!) and got a 50mm 1.8D for 65€ (everyone asks 80-100€ for one of these) and it is a nice convenient lightweight kit. I can understand the appeal of the F pro models but the latter ones seem heavy. F5 clocked in at 1400g or so... As heavy as some medium format cameras.
 

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I used an F4 for several years a long time ago. I found it excellent for shooting sports events but it was very heavy and cumbersome to carry when touring.
 
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