xisbrat;9061I then save it to a TIFF file. If I then pull up that same TIFF file said:what 'magnification' are you looking at it on the screen? I've sometimes found when I scann 4x5 at 2400dpi that when viewing at some 'magnifications' (like 33% for example on one image) that skies look worse then zoomed in to 50%. I suspect its just an interpolation / display issue to find a fast algorithm for quick display.
does it seem such as more even multiples like 50%
Make sure you are not asking for compression when you set the TIFF options.
Hi
what 'magnification' are you looking at it on the screen?
does it seem such as more even multiples like 50%
I see it at all magnifications. It default to 16% in my Scan 4 viewer when I do the scan, and the quality of the image doesn't change when I up the magnification to 50 or 100 or 200%. This holds true if that is referring to the original scan (i.e., always grainless), or to the recalled TIFF image (i.e., grain always very noticeable)
I see it at all magnifications. It default to 16% in my Scan 4 viewer when I do the scan, and the quality of the image doesn't change when I up the magnification to 50 or 100 or 200%.
Nikon Scan is a dead horse. Nikon Europe informed officially that it won't be
developed further (bad news for mac users, because several functions don't work on a new mac. But good for VueScan!).
Nikon Scan is a sub optimal software for perfect scans. Try VueScan ( http://www.hamrick.com ).
ok ... anything like this?
this is from negative
Hi Pellicle. I enjoyed your articles, and will explore them further once I get past this issue.
I am sending a crop of the image to give everyone an idea of the grain that is showing up. Let me first say that I am not complaining about excessive grain: I know that there are many techniques to reduce grain, both on the analog side and the digital side. My issue is that it appears I lose image quality once I save the image to disk (saving as TIFF). The curve that Nikon Scan displays as a result of the scan is quite different than the curve Nikon Scan displays when retrieving the saved file: the peaks of the curve on the retrieved file are about 5-10% shorter (especially on the right side of the graph. I though TIFFs were lossless, so I was surprised to see that behavior.
So my concern is that if I scan a negative, and get it exactly the way I want it to appear, and then save it, I am disappointed when I retrieve it one second later. ("One" second to emphasize that nothing has changed in Nikon Scan.) The retrieved image is visibly a lower quality image, and has visible grain. I don't think that would be tolerable in anyone's workstream.
From those symptoms, it would appear that might be something wrong with the process of saving TIFF files, either in Nikon Scan, or in my OS (MAC OSX) The same kind of behavior happens when saving to JPEG, but I thought TIFF was a standard file type to preserve highest quality. Should I save it as NEF? I haven't tried that, but NEF creates issues, as Nikon Capture doesn't take NEF files from Nikon Scan. (right....huh?)
Does this information change the dialog any?
Thanks
Tennis
Hi Pellicle. I enjoyed your articles, and will explore them further once I get past this issue.
I am sending a crop of the image to give everyone an idea of the grain that is showing up.
Let me first say that I am not complaining about excessive grain:
My issue is that it appears I lose image quality once I save the image to disk (saving as TIFF).
I though TIFFs were lossless, so I was surprised to see that behavior.
TIFF is a flexible, adaptable file format for handling images and data within a single file, by including the header tags (size, definition, image-data arrangement, applied image compression) defining the image's geometry. For example, a TIFF file can be a container holding compressed JPEG and RLE (run-length encoding) images. A TIFF file also can include a vector-based Clipping path (outlines, croppings, image frames). The ability to store image data in a lossless format makes a TIFF file a useful image archive, because, unlike standard JPEG files, a TIFF file using lossless compression (or none) may be edited and re-saved without losing image quality; other TIFF options are layers and pages.
I am disappointed when I retrieve it one second later. ("One" second to emphasize that nothing has changed in Nikon Scan.)
Should I save it as NEF? I haven't tried that, but NEF creates issues, as Nikon Capture doesn't take NEF files from Nikon Scan. (right....huh?)
There's really no benefit to DNG in this workflow, the files are from a trilinear, true RGB output referred capture device.
Its not Raw data. Yes, you could in theory take a DNG from a scan and a TIFF and apply metadata instructions in LR or ACR to either. But that's already rendered pixel data. The DNG doesn't make it non demosaiced Raw data and in a way, that's good (its not interpolated color, its real RGB color).
The place to do the big tone and color work is in the scanner driver. That's your Raw processor. The container, DNG or TIFF is immaterial. There's nothing a scan in a DNG brings to the party you can't do with a TIFF.
An over dark scan should be corrected at the scan stage.
The curve that Nikon Scan displays as a result of the scan is quite different than the curve Nikon Scan displays when retrieving the saved file: the peaks of the curve on the retrieved file are about 5-10% shorter (especially on the right side of the graph.
I am not sure why everyone is so in love with VueScan. I have it and have used it; it's nearly unusable for scanning strips of film in a Nikon film scanner. The interface is a clunky mess, and the documentation is awful.
pellicle, I don't know what you are doing, but check this review:
http://www.photographycorner.com/product-reviews/software/vuescan-hamrick-software
These are no software engineers, just people who install and use it, and obviously VueScan is working for them perfectly.
Just connect the LS 5000 to your computer, start the software (disable the ICE option for B&W) and scan. It's straightforward, really. The only accessory you'll ever need is a slide feeder if you want to scan 99 framed/mounted slides as a batch.
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