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Just tried the Niikor 45mm pancake on an M42 SLR. This particular lens delivers a very narrow field of focus; no infinity.
The width of the ring shouldn't be more the flange difference between the two systems.
Any idea if it's due to the pancake design?
No other Nikkor available at the moment to try on, but a 2x Tele converter.
 
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Nice to be here, and thanks for your reply.
 

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I see. I have a glass. I don't expect the curvature to be correct, but just out of curiosity I will try to interfere between the rear 45/GN glass and the mirror,
and see how much it improves, if any at all.
 

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I see. I have a glass. I don't expect the curvature to be correct, but just out of curiosity I will try to interfere between the rear 45/GN glass and the mirror,
and see how much it improves, if any at all.

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The flange-focal distance of M42 is 45.46mm and of Nikon F is 46.5mm. Thus, an adapter without glass would have to add no more than 1.0mm of thickness to put a Nikon F lens on a M42 body and retain infinity focus. However, there is also a mechanical constraint. The diameter of the M42 mount throat is relatively small and I think the Nikon lens rear bayonet wouldn't fit inside it (and certainly not when you include the extra material the adapter needs to fit the threads and the bayonet). This is why your adapter is 10mm thick.

Thus, as Paul says, to maintain infinity focus on F-to-M42, one needs an adapter with a glass element. Such adaptors have a weak negative lens to add some extra divergence, allowing the main lens to sit further away and still focus. That also shortens the focal length a little. In principle, the effect of the adaptor does depend a little on the design of the main lens (on the position of the rear principal plane of the main lens), but I don't know if that matters much in practice).

I would have guessed that such adaptors would introduce aberrations, but people seem to be more or less happy with them; I haven't used one. Many happy users may be adapting full frame lenses to APS-C digital cameras, which would have fewer quality issues since they're not using the corners of the field.
 
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Yes. This is why it is a scientific process designing, manufacturing and testing a lens. It is complicated.
I am almost certain that once my cheap 35-70/3,5-4,5 gets into my hands, it will work a lot better than the pancake.
Strangely enough, to focus on the pancake I just have to "spin" the ring just a couple of mum's on an "F" body, where as with the 35-70 mum's become cm's. I think this might be relevant. We'll see.
Why an F lens on an M42 body?
Just sold my F3.
I just love screw on lenses like M42 or Ltm's.
I love my M42 Practika.
Based on the fact an M42 lens has a slightly shorter flange than nikkors, theoretically, it seemed like a good and logical thought for this to work.
 

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Rather than getting an adapter to use the lenses on an m42 body ( I'm not a fan off adapters with glass in ) you could get a Nikon EM for about the same price .
Auto aperture , better image quality compared to an adapter with glass and so on ...
You often see them incorrectly listed as m90 or something because they see the manual 1/90 second shutter speed on the top and think it's the camera name .
 
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True.
I am running my lowest budget period.
I have sold all my Leica bodies, summicrons, even my super Angulon, including my Nikon F3.
I do have a worse than an em 4004 body, on its way back to me coming in February.
I am not going to buy an em.
I would only buy an extreme wide angle, an ed Nikkor, so no need really for another Nikon body.
From the time I started using leicas and Zeiss I pretty much limited my desirable lenses list.
 
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