News From HARMAN technology Limited :

[AgX]

There were even type 126 SLR's. (Zeiss and Rollei)

 

[MattKing]

There were even type 126 SLR's. (Zeiss and Rollei)

And the Kodak Instamatic Reflex http://camera-wiki.org/wiki/Kodak_Instamatic_Reflex

 

[Michael W]

Were there any good 126 cameras? I only remember Instamatics. The film has different perforations and edge markings, but is the same width as 135. The cartridges are plastic, so totally different from 135 in terms of manufacturing.

The Minolta Autopak 700 was a very good 126 rangefinder. I'm down to my last few cartridges of recent colour neg. After that I suppose it becomes a collectors item.

 

[railwayman3]

Getting a bit OT, but, when used within the limits of their basic settings, the Kodak Instamatics could give excellent results....a friend recently showed me some 126 Kodachrome slides of Venice taken on a simple Instamatic in the early 1970's. He'd scanned and printed the best of these to A4 size and framed them to hang on the wall....remarkably sharp and natural colors, (and with no Photoshop enhancement needed!).

 

[EASmithV]

You guys are really pulling me over. I love Delta over TMAX, and if Kodak stops making Tri-X, you'll have all my business for B&W!

 

[Brac]

Very good news and hopefully the cassettes will have DX coding in the relevant speed.

 

[Two23]

I'm already an Ilford fan. HP5 is my most used film--35mm, 120, and 4x5. And now maybe 6.5x9.


Kent in SD

 

[StoneNYC]

I was not aware film casettes being a problem. I thought as long a film manufacturer is producing film the producer of the casettes will have demand to satisfy. So I can't see this move under the light of "we saved the type 135 film casette". Perhaps it is a financial move, I could agree with that.

Like anything else, as demand falls, bulk runs at giant manufacturing facilities don't have enough orders, and so it is no longer profitable to keep the machines going, and certainly not profitable to design new smaller run machines for a dying business (and yes it's dying as they see it) so Ilford is being smart in creating their own ahead of time as to not have this cause a lag like ADOX seems to be having because their supplier has stopped supplying suddenly...

Most film users also are shooting 120 and 4x5 more than 35mm as they progress they want more detail and more information and more flexibility that 35mm can't offer, and so the need is less and less. Yes there are still 35mm shooters (Mostly the Leica crowd), but as an example, the only 35mm I shoot are panoramic these days in my Mamiya 7 which really is a 120 camera with a 35mm adapter.

Anyway that's my take on it.

 

[andrewf]

This is really encouraging news. Thanks for your commitment to 35mm

 

[Simon R Galley]

Dear StoneNYV

The 35mm market far outweighs the 120 and sheet film market, it always has done. I think what you say is spot on for APUGGERS.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

 

[StoneNYC]

Dear StoneNYV

The 35mm market far outweighs the 120 and sheet film market, it always has done. I think what you say is spot on for APUGGERS.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Oh wow, I am wrong then, you would know either way it's smart to invest in the cassettes to ensure no manufacture down time.

Keep at it!


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[madgardener]

If Ilford keeps up this level of support, I might have to take another look at Ilford film. I tried Ilford HP5+ for my photography class a couple years ago and found it was really grainy (like looking at a photo with sand on top of it). My supply of Legacy Pro is running out, and I am looking for a replacement. The FP4 looks promising, as does the PanF.

 

[StoneNYC]

If Ilford keeps up this level of support, I might have to take another look at Ilford film. I tried Ilford HP5+ for my photography class a couple years ago and found it was really grainy (like looking at a photo with sand on top of it). My supply of Legacy Pro is running out, and I am looking for a replacement. The FP4 looks promising, as does the PanF.

They are pretty solid, perhaps the developer you used at the time wasn't good for the film?

I just received an email from them today on an issue I found on their site, very nice people, solid company, devoted, I used to want to say "oh I shot on this and this" and wanted to hit all the films that might go away soon, and then I realized I was just getting inconsistent results because I wasn't devoting to a product line to learn and perfect it. Ilford is obviously the current leader in B&W and by leader I mean only profitable company, so even if its not EK it's still in the black, so that's the more solid bet. Their film is really great. I laugh because everyone talks about grain but not as much about (gah!!! I can't spell the word!!! And auto correct doesn't know what I'm trying for....) ACUTENCE (sp?) I found recently that though Acros was a finer grain than HP5, the comparative images looked sharper on HP5 because the edge detail wasn't as blurred. I used DD-X so perhaps Acros responds to Fuji developer better, but even HP5 I would pick in normal light over Acros, I use Acros for night exposures only.

It's all what you use.

Also how long ago was this? Remember ilford now has PLUS on all their films, the improved versions...


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[wblynch]

Ilford's Delta 100 is supposed to be very similar to Acros. You might give it a try.

 

[StoneNYC]

Ilford's Delta 100 is supposed to be very similar to Acros. You might give it a try.

With a 2 minute reciprocity failure rate? I think not... Lol, if I need a low ASA I use Pan F+ the only need for 100ASA for me is the night stuff usually. Nothing can beat that rate...


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[madgardener]

They are pretty solid, perhaps the developer you used at the time wasn't good for the film?


It's all what you use.

Also how long ago was this? Remember ilford now has PLUS on all their films, the improved versions...


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

Ok, I cut a lot of this post out, but in general to answer the questions, the class I took was 3 years ago. The school was using the Sprint brand of chemicals, which wasn't too bad. Its when I tried developing at home that the grain was really bad. I was using Arista developer (just the regular stuff). I still have a couple rolls in the freezer and intend to try it again with some HC-110, and see what happens.

 

[Roger Cole]

If you need ISO 400 and HP5+ is too grainy, try Delta 400 if you want to use Ilford.

All Ilford films that I have used have been excellent. I use FP4+ and Pan F+ regularly in 120, and D3200 occasionally.

 

[StoneNYC]

Ok, I cut a lot of this post out, but in general to answer the questions, the class I took was 3 years ago. The school was using the Sprint brand of chemicals, which wasn't too bad. Its when I tried developing at home that the grain was really bad. I was using Arista developer (just the regular stuff). I still have a couple rolls in the freezer and intend to try it again with some HC-110, and see what happens.

I would try DD-X. Seems to give very nice sharp grain.

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

That's HP5

If you aren't a subscriber you can't use the link... So... Be a subscriber!! Lol

Or just see this instead.

It's a long exposure which should introduce more grain and its pretty non-grainy.


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[Roger Cole]

Is that from medium format as the square appears to be? It would take a pretty grainy film to show grain in that display resolution from medium format. Heck, I have Delta 3200 negatives, shot at 3200, that hardly show any in that size. Not saying you aren't right, just that it isn't going to mean much in viewing that image.

 

[StoneNYC]

Is that from medium format as the square appears to be? It would take a pretty grainy film to show grain in that display resolution from medium format. Heck, I have Delta 3200 negatives, shot at 3200, that hardly show any in that size. Not saying you aren't right, just that it isn't going to mean much in viewing that image.

OK yes it's 6x7 from my Mamiya 7, I think a 2 or 4 second exposure. Shot @400 and developed @400 in DD-X scanned at 2400dpi exported with no sharpening, I haven't touched the image at all except a crop that can be 1:1 and wouldn't be re-sized by APUG limitations, in a section that was plain color to show the grain structure best. (except watermark which I'm paranoid and just had to do...)


Hope this is acceptable now that I'm at a computer I can do it.

 

[madgardener]

Ok, when I run out of the HC110 I'll try the DD-X . My budget is usually pretty tight, as is my bathr...darkroom. I'm by no means an expert, but I do want to take nice pictures.

Thank you for the tips. The FP4+ is really catching my eye right now. My next order to freestyle may include a couple rolls.

 

[StoneNYC]

Ok, when I run out of the HC110 I'll try the DD-X . My budget is usually pretty tight, as is my bathr...darkroom. I'm by no means an expert, but I do want to take nice pictures.

Thank you for the tips. The FP4+ is really catching my eye right now. My next order to freestyle may include a couple rolls.

Look at B&H, their prices are often a tiny bit better.


~Stone

Mamiya: 7 II, RZ67 Pro II / Canon: 1V, AE-1, 5DmkII / Kodak: No 1 Pocket Autographic, No 1A Pocket Autographic | Sent w/ iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[heterolysis]

Great news in terms of supply security. I assume that since there is no mention of it, it won't affect consumer prices...though Harman probably will probably get a better cut doing it in house

I've recently switched to Ilford films entirely for B&W. It's nice to still see this kind of commitment on their part.

 

[NedL]

I've recently switched to Ilford films entirely for B&W. It's nice to still see this kind of commitment on their part.

When I read news like this I sure consider it. I recently got a couple bulk spools of Arista premium and when I read this news I actually felt guilty!

 

[ajuk]

Good news.

BTW There's no apostrophe in 1960s.