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ChadHahn

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If considering a Kiev think about the 4AM. It was the last version they built and has a folding style rewind. The earlier ones have a knurled knob sitting close to the top of the camer that you have to turn and turn to rewind the film.

People say that the later Kievs have the worst quality but I haven't had any problems with mine and on a plus it comes with the Helios lens that rival a Summicron lens.

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Besides Canonet and other Japanese '70s rangefinders, also the old German Voigtlander rangefinders are cheap and good. And if Leica M is too expensive, screw mount Leica before the war is not too expensive and still good to use for years to come. My Leica IId with Nickel Elmar produced in early 1930s will certainly survive me.
 

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niclester said:
Hi!

I would really like to get hold of a rangefinder, but being new to this I only know of Leica and anything even second hand is well out of my budget.

Can anyone reccomend and lo-cost alternatives / copies?

Thanks a lot :smile:

Check out an Argus C3 a.k.a. "The Brick" You can get decent users for $10-$25 and many times a whole kit from someone's uncle's closet with the flash, leather case, manual and what-not. The C3 is a fascinating piece of America's photographic history and a lot of fun to play with! :tongue:
 

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I would recommend a brick (Argus C-3) to anyone for a half dozen reasons: 1. It is an important piece of photographic history 2. You can easily find a good one for under $20, and they last forever 3. If you decide to learn camera repair, or just want to see how things work, they are easy to work on 4. The lens is surprisingly good, and the ergonomics force you to really think, which seems to lead to better pictures (in my case, anyway) 5. Anyone over 60 will have fond memories to share (the only cameras I have that start more conversations with passersby are the Speed Graphics and the Century) 6. Some of my favorite shots were taken with a brick and Kodachrome.

That being said, for interchangeable lens rangefinders I can recommend the Kiev4a, the Zorki 4 and 6, and the Fed 2,3, and 4 among the Russians, plus the bricks descendants the C-33 (ugly as sin, but a good rangefinder and good lenses), and C-44. In general, I recommend Feds and Zorkis for small hands and Kievs for large. That Contax grip is easier with long fingers.

I haven't used many of the old Voigtlanders, but have found the ergonomics of the few I have handled dreadful. The little german built folders (Retina, Contessa) of the 40s and 50s are jewel-like with great optics.

The fixed lens Japanese models of the 60s and 70s add the convenience of a meter, some auto modes, light weight, and often better viewfinders but lack charm.

My recommendation: get the C-3 (because every home should have one), then either a Fed/Zorki or a Kiev depending on your hand size. If you really want a built in meter, get one of the Japanese models instead. That way you can get a good feel for what rangefinders can do for under US$70. Then, if you find you like rangefinders, upgrade with a modern Voigtlander, or whatever else the budget will bear.
 

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I have a number of 70s fixed lens rangefinders and a Fed-4.

The Fed-4 is, for me, a wonderful camera and much more robustly made than internet 'wisdom' often has it. Also, the Industar-61 is a beautiful lens. The only problem with it is that it's quite a bulky camera.

The Japanese fixed lens rangefinders are much smaller and take good pictures, but, as the previous commentator said, lack charm.

I paid 10 UK pounds for the Fed-4 and 5 pounds (I think) for the little Chinon fixed lens rangefinder I use. So it's easy enough to dip a toe into the water cheaply.
 

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Picked up a mint condition Minolta Hi-Matic 7s at a flea market for $10. Unlike the Yashica Electro 35's the minolta can be operated in automatic mode or in manual mode with full control of shutter speed and lens aperture.
 
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There are so many options out there that you could get all tied up in knots. I agree that the CV Bessa cameras are a great way to start. So many people seem to like the Kievs but I find them interesting but horrible to use, that will get some irate replies! Has anyone mentioned the Retina 111S? An exceedingly pretty camera that is very quiet and has excellent optics. It uses the same lenses as the later Retina reflexes, the whole lens changes not just the front element. I much prefer it to the 111C.
 

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T42 said:
I created a "washer" of plastic electrical tape, and attached it to the viewfinder trim, to keep the knurled metal from scratching my glasses. Now the glasses can be pressed tightly up against the camera, improving the view a little, while not damaging the glasses' coatings.


I find that a couple of layers of either clear or black nail polish on the metal edges does a good job of protecting my glasses.

People forget that the Kiev4 is really just a continuation of production of what was arguably the best 35mm in the world before WWII, the Contax II. Good enough for Robert Capa, among others. My 1939 copy of Press Photography with the Miniature Camera notes that the Contax is slightly more popular among press photographers because of the quieter shutter (!) and earlier availability of fast lenses. They also define miniature as anything from 35mm to 6x9!
 

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At the risk of blatant self-promotion, take a look at Rangefinder, Equipment, History, Techniques, by Roger Hicks and Frances Schultz, ISBN 1-86108-330-0, GMC Publications 2003.

I've been using RF cameras since about 1970. They ARE different from SLRs and what you get for more money is (usually) an easier camera to use, though not necessarily better quality.

Cheers,

Roger (www.rogerandfrances.com, where you can also see more about our books)
 
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