New, very low ISO film for anyone interested

Paul Manuell · Apr 8, 2020

Just seen on Lomography's site that they're selling an 8 ISO b&w film - Fantome Kino - but only in 35mm format unfortunately. Should imagine this would be really good for very bright outdoor shoots where you want to use a wide open aperture without having to resort to an ND filter.

Carter john · Apr 8, 2020

Reminds me of Kodachrome 10.

Pioneer · Apr 8, 2020

"very low exposure lattitude" Hmm, how exciting.

Just what the Lomo photographer needs.

Paul Manuell · Apr 8, 2020

Pioneer said:
"very low exposure lattitude" Hmm, how exciting.

Just what the Lomo photographer needs.

What exactly does low exposure latitude mean?

Sirius Glass · Apr 8, 2020

Paul Manuell said:
What exactly does low exposure latitude mean?

That means that the exposure must be exactly on or the photograph will be unusable. Not interesting nor exciting.

Ernst-Jan · Apr 8, 2020

Sirius Glass said:
That means that the exposure must be exactly on or the photograph will be unusable. Not interesting nor exciting.

So it might me a surprise if you will see this film in your shitty Lomo camera This is good for the Lomo experience

Sirius Glass · Apr 8, 2020

Ernst-Jan said:
So it might me a surprise if you will see this film in your shitty Lomo camera This is good for the Lomo experience

I do not have a Lomo camera and I am not interested in the Lomo experience.

pentaxuser · Apr 8, 2020

I seriously wonder about how long this kind of revival in film can be sustained. It is almost as if there has to be a surprise a week either in the form of a new film which in reality aren't new or a surprise in what the defect/drawback will be in said film.

I find it worrying and if I were an Ilford, Kodak, Fuji photo engineer I'd be very worried indeed

pentaxuser

BradS · Apr 8, 2020

pentaxuser said:
I seriously wonder about how long this kind of revival in film can be sustained.....snip....

pentaxuser

Yes, we know. That is all you ever talk about.

Ernst-Jan · Apr 8, 2020

Sirius Glass said:
I do not have a Lomo camera and I am not interested in the Lomo experience.

Me neither.

pentaxuser · Apr 8, 2020

BradS said:
Yes, we know. That is all you ever talk about.

No I do occasionally make other contributions. Perhaps my worries about how long this kind of interest in film of this nature which appears to be shared to an extent by other contributors here, has made everything I say merge into one grey mass or is that mess as far as you are concerned

On the basis that one day I am the millionth monkey using the millionth keyboard for the millionth year when I reply with an important post that no-one has made and it is a post addressing the key to your puzzling photographic problem, I can only hope that my gem, whatever that might be, will not be overlooked by you

pentaxuser

cmacd123 · Apr 8, 2020

sounds like yet another motion picture Laboratory intermediate film being sold as a offbeat camera material.

Sirius Glass · Apr 8, 2020

Basically Kodak et al no longer has the resources and the money to do research and development on film and other photographic supplies as was done in the past.

Paul Manuell · Apr 8, 2020

I sometimes wonder why I bother posting on here. I genuinely thought a new, low ISO film might be of interest to some on here.

Dusty Negative · Apr 8, 2020

Paul Manuell said:
I sometimes wonder why I bother posting on here. I genuinely thought a new, low ISO film might be of interest to some on here.

Tough crowd, eh? Thanks for the post. I wasn't aware of this film.

Pioneer · Apr 8, 2020

Paul Manuell said:
I sometimes wonder why I bother posting on here. I genuinely thought a new, low ISO film might be of interest to some on here.

Sorry. I wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad. It just seemed a little odd that this type of film was being promoted by Lomo. They promote a more free photographic experience that is purposely intended to take maximum advantage of the wide exposure lattitude of most films. This particular film, with an admittedly narrow lattitude, seems to be the antithesis of that philosophy.

I suspect that there are many people, on this forum and others, who would find this film very difficult to work with. I'm sure that I would be challenged to get usable negatives with this film. It was never intended to be used successfully in Holgas or Dianas where exposure is much less exact.

However, I do suspect that there may be some who will be interested in trying it out.

Bormental · Apr 8, 2020

Paul Manuell said:
I sometimes wonder why I bother posting on here. I genuinely thought a new, low ISO film might be of interest to some on here.

It is! Please, keep posting. I thought some of the comments were funny, but it doesn't take anything away from my excitement of seeing a new emulsion on the market. I don't care if it's repackaged/rebranded. The more the better!

Kodachromeguy · Apr 8, 2020

Bormental said:
It is! Please, keep posting. I thought some of the comments were funny, but it doesn't take anything away from my excitement of seeing a new emulsion on the market. I don't care if it's repackaged/rebranded. The more the better!

+1. Any new film news is good news.And I wonder why Sirius and the other gent feel compelled to state that they have no interest in it. How does that contribute? How does that affect anyone else?

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 8, 2020

Paul Manuell said:
Just seen on Lomography's site that they're selling an 8 ISO b&w film - Fantome Kino - but only in 35mm format unfortunately. Should imagine this would be really good for very bright outdoor shoots where you want to use a wide open aperture without having to resort to an ND filter.

Nice! The film doesn't seem to need special purpose developers like Adox CMS 20ii:
https://www.lomography.com/magazine/343958-mastering-the-new-lomography-fantome-kino-b-w-iso-8

Agulliver · Apr 9, 2020

I think it is of interest to some people, while being a bit odd for Lomography because a low ISO film with poor latitude won't be suitable for the Lomography style of photography or cameras. The ethos of Lomography is to use simple (sometimes crap or toy) cameras and to shoot from the hip without thinking. Not usually my bag but I have seen some genuinely interesting photos by the Lomography crowd. As they even say on their webpage this is a film for cameras with manual controls, light meters and fast lenses. Having said that I was out yesterday with J. Lane's 2ASA glass plates flying on manual...but I have a lot of experience...and even I only got two decent plates from four I exposed.

This film will actually appeal to people like me who have a desire to experiment with something new....but not in a Holga or Diana.

I'm almost tempted....currently I am off work on full pay and not going out to concerts, pubs, visiting friends etc. I actually have *more* money than usual and am happy to buy film even though I don't actually need to. The Lomography branded colour neg films are actually really good and are my "go to" films for 120 colour work. Not everything that company sells is for toy camera users.

pentaxuser · Apr 9, 2020

Setting aside my concern with what may be short-lived fads in film of which Lomo seems to have the market covered, isn't the practical problem that while the range of exposures at which this film can substitute for the large range of ND filters that are available, is limited but could be OK for some things, the speed limits its general use. While sheet film might be OK for this kind of application, loading a camera with a 36 roll will mean that the camera loaded with it will be restricted in its use and that appears to be its only format

I looked at the link and thanks for that, Raghu, but the prints that it produces would certainly not be for me. Of course while the film is clearly capable of high contrast prints and that may be what Lomo feels the buyer will want it for it may be OK for a range of contrasts.

There seemed to be some confusion in the write-up about what were classic film noirs. These were not high contrast, soot and whitewash films per se Indeed some very good film noirs were not even b&w. It was a genre, not a film type

pentaxuser

Raghu Kuvempunagar · Apr 9, 2020

pentaxuser said:
I looked at the link and thanks for that, Raghu, but the prints that it produces would certainly not be for me. .

You and I might not appreciate this new film but then we might not be the target customers for Lomo. And in this age of astronomically high digital ISO, a really low ISO film could be a symbol of nonconformity. Counter culture.

BradS · Apr 9, 2020

For $7 a roll I’ll be staying with Kodak and Ilford. Thanks.

pentaxuser · Apr 9, 2020

BradS said:
For $7 a roll I’ll be staying with Kodak and Ilford. Thanks.

Me too. I knew we wouldn't be at odds on everything

pentaxuser

MattKing · Apr 9, 2020

I can certainly see this appealing to those who love experimenting with long exposure work.
Which is entirely consistent with the Lomography fans - emphasis on the word experiment.
The people I know who like trying out the unusual Lomography film options are just as likely to be using a 1970s era SLR as a toy camera.

New, very low ISO film for anyone interested

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