"New Tetenal" is officially registered

[RalphLambrecht]

Good news received directly from our friends at “New” Tetenal: the last paperwork was given its stamps of approval, and the company was officially registered last Friday! Having shaken off old ways of doing business and unprofitable divisions within the company, the new version of Tetenal, which we have learned will keep its old logo and name, has taken shape at a remarkable pace. Investors were found, certificates and permissions awarded, and last Friday, the new incarnation of Tetenal became an officially registered company, ready to do business. They plan to make an official announcement tomorrow. In the meanwhile, the analog community can rest assured that their E6 3- and 7-baths, C41, ECN2 and RA4 chemicals will be available without any production or delivery gaps.

We published some more details via emulsive:
https://emulsive.org/articles/just-...SqAhBIKFIEPHPoxKM1283bGpPCfZRB6Gu2wSkTA4RRFV8


PhotoKlassik International will be telling the entire story along with further developments (pun intended) in its issue II/2019, which is planned to be released around May 1st.

thumbs up!

 

[cmacd123]

Thats because they were obliged to be silent as an OEM manufacturer.
You could find nearly all major competitors bottles and packages in the Tetenal warehouse.

I suspect that if you have any photo chemicals that are major brands that say "Made in Germany" the chances are excellent that they came from this firm. (Calbie and others also make photo chemicals, but My understanding is that the scope is not as large.) it is almost certan that anything you use that is labelled "Kodak" or "Ilford" and also Germany is from this source.

 

[miha]

99% if these "effervescent" tablets contain an acid and baking soda, especially the ones you use to make some sort of lemonade or medicine. When acid drives pH below 6, the baking soda gives up Carbon Dioxide gas, and this gas creates these fine bubbles. These bubbles provide decent agitation to dissolve the other compounds in the tablet, that's why people would potentially want them in developer tablets. However, baking soda won't give up Carbon Dioxide at pH 8-12, where typical photographic developers work, and the unknown amount of Carbon Dioxide remaining in the liquid will create some uncertainty about final pH, another no no in photographic development.

We'll see what Tetenal can come up with in future, but do hold on to your other developers for now ...

Interesing mechanism of action. Thanks again.

 

[miha]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=iENQXIQ8wH0

 

[AgX]

But aside of the OP hardly anyone wants this "sparkling" effect, not even speaking of the chemical feasability.

 

[cmacd123]

But aside of the OP hardly anyone wants this "sparkling" effect, not even speaking of the chemical feasability.

a lot depends on the implementation. imagine an e-6 kit containing 6 "pills" in a blister pack. you fill 6 500ml bottles with water and immerse them in a tray with a sous-vide heater. then you stick pill 1 to 6 in bottle 1 through 6 . the pills bubble enough to mix the chemicals. then you run a batch of slides one shot. no muss, no fuss.

 

[AgX]

I would not run the risk of people being sprayed at wrong use.
Repeating myself, I indeed see the benefits of tablets. That is why photochemical tablets are so long on the market already.

 

[PittP]

Congratulations and best wishes to Tetenal!
Wishing them and us (!) a genuinly good start and a prosperous future with their photo chemicals.
These are interesting ideas with Tete-Selzer etc. ... interestingly, E6 comes up immediately.
When I look through the fora (forums? - tztz), E6 is one of the most frequently mentioned Tetenal related topics, and more often than not it involves crystals in FD and deteriorated Blix2 concentrate.
Thus, before considering new, challenging, phantastic ideas - why not get these likely small issues right: Storage properties of FD and Bx2 may be largely improved by separating the components that interfere with each other into separate concentrates to be mixed upon use. This would make it easier for traders to keep stock, and would take the gambling out of E6-development in the small batches in home development which are (not least) dictated by the cost of slide film.
Separating bleach and fix would have two extra advantages: The expensive bleach can be used many times over, while the cheap fixer is exhausted after a few films. Thus, save processing costs and have less environmentally problematic waste. This would be nice improvements!

 

[Schwedenstahl]

This would make it easier for traders to keep stock, and would take the gambling out of E6-development in the small batches in home development which are (not least) dictated by the cost of slide film.

We had in our workshop in december all departments at Tetenal together. There were all chemists and also those guys who invented the 3 Bath process. There is a lot possible.

And a lot of positive changings will happen. Everybody during this time took the situation as achance to question everything and I think we all found some very interesting aproaches based on traditional products but also on innovation.

The employees invested in their former company. Most of them could have found easily another job cuase their skills are asked on the job market. The people there are highly motivated and they know what they are doing. The old ballasts are gone now. The new managment are those who've invested cause they saw the oppertunity in doing those things they could not do at "old Tetenal".

 

[mshchem]

We had in our workshop in december all departments at Tetenal together. There were all chemists and also those guys who invented the 3 Bath process. There is a lot possible.

And a lot of positive changings will happen. Everybody during this time took the situation as achance to question everything and I think we all found some very interesting aproaches based on traditional products but also on innovation.

The employees invested in their former company. Most of them could have found easily another job cuase their skills are asked on the job market. The people there are highly motivated and they know what they are doing. The old ballasts are gone now. The new managment are those who've invested cause they saw the oppertunity in doing those things they could not do at "old Tetenal".

I want Tetenal to supply a reusable bottle cap for their square 1 liter bottles. These bottles are too nice to throw away . Even if they are sold separately. I understand that the product needs to be foil sealed from the factory, the supplied cap has cardboard liner. No good for storage. I wish I could figure out the size. Probably some regulation that requires single use.

 

[cmacd123]

I understand that the product needs to be foil sealed from the factory, the supplied cap has cardboard liner. No good for storage.

At least if you look closely ( at least on the Ilford Fixer and Kodak HC-110. ) They have a provision that if you invert the cap and turn it, the cap will cut the foil. only once did I see anything about this and it was in an IKEA like drawing.

 

[mshchem]

At least if you look closely ( at least on the Ilford Fixer and Kodak HC-110. ) They have a provision that if you invert the cap and turn it, the cap will cut the foil. only once did I see anything about this and it was in an IKEA like drawing.

Cool, now I see what you mean. Two little plastic blades to cut the foil.
Tetenal bottles fit the opening of the Jobo bottle holder. One thing I found is you need to soak off the paper label. I have 10,000 bottles I don't need more, still. I wish some bottle closure expert would tell us where I could get a cone seal lid that would fit.
Tetenal could double their prices if they could make a deal with Jobo. Sell everything in Jobo official old school wide mouth bottles. I have a stash of those too

 

[Pat Erson]

I want Tetenal to supply a cap

for their 5l jugs that won't leak!!!
The current ones are a nightmare!! Take your 5l jug of fixer, shake it to stir the content of the jug and you'll end with little drops of fixer all over the room and all over your clothes.

 

[mshchem]

for their 5l jugs that won't leak!!!
The current ones are a nightmare!! Take your 5l jug of fixer, shake it to stir the content of the jug and you'll end with little drops of fixer all over the room and all over your clothes.

The cardboard liner in the cap fails. The bottle closures are terrible.

 

[Tom Kershaw]

for their 5l jugs that won't leak!!!
The current ones are a nightmare!! Take your 5l jug of fixer, shake it to stir the content of the jug and you'll end with little drops of fixer all over the room and all over your clothes.

I've not had any major spills, but it would be great if Tetenal could use 5L jugs that have some sort of easy pour system, perhaps with a proper spout.

 

[AgX]

Here a statement from Adox from June on the production/supply of New Tetenal:

The insolvency of Tetenal caused a lot of interruptions in the supply chains, on several levels and in different supply chains. Fortunately Tetenal is back as 'New Tetenal' - with 100% focus on photo chemistry - and they are producing again. But their new production is increasing slowly - step-by-step - and is not yet on the former (before insolvency) level. But their efforts are focussed on getting to former volumes during the next months.

 

[mshchem]

What's going on at Tetenal? I see that the E6 2.5 L kits are back ordered at Freestyle in the US and Fotoimpex in Germany. I hope all is well? ? ?

 

[dutchsteammachine]

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIEEEEEE!

I wonder if Adox could make me dev chemicals at their new factory?

 

[Tom Kershaw]

I hope I'm not saying anything out-of-turn but ADOX has written on Photrio that they can manufacture versions of the Tetenal products but that Tetenal is an important partner for Fotoimpex so no reason to try and put that company in a difficult position.

 

[BMbikerider]

What does effervescent mean?

It literally "goes FIZZZZZ" when dropped into water. Think of the contents of a bottle of champagne being opened after shaking (a bit of a waste really)

 

[thuggins]

What's going on at Tetenal? I see that the E6 2.5 L kits are back ordered at Freestyle in the US and Fotoimpex in Germany. I hope all is well? ? ?

I just spoke with Freestyle. They show Tetenal E6 kits with availability on Jan 24. The rep said the removal of the E6 kit listing from their website was a mistake that she would follow up on. It seems that demand for the kit is higher than Tetenal anticipated.

In the meantime, I ordered the small Arista kit and will give that try.

On another topic... Yes, the cardboard seals on the bottles are absolutely worthless! Too bad, they are nice bottles. And the use of a separate, cardboard disk instead of a molded conical lip in the cap makes absolutely no sense. Not only does it not serve the purpose of a seal, it actually costs more to produce. I assumed it was some weird, German cultural thing. But the last Ilford chemicals I bought were the same way.

 

[Arklatexian]

What about B&W chemicals? But good news anyway.

+1

 

[Arklatexian]

Great Now we have nothing to bitch about!

Sirius Glass, I hope you were not being "realistic". Surely, this group, me included, will find plenty to "bitch" about regarding "any" subject in this "new" year.........Regards!

 

[Arklatexian]

Sirius Glass, I hope you were not being "realistic". Surely, this group, me included, will find plenty to "bitch" about regarding "any" subject in this "new" year.........Regards!

And I think that I have detected some already, regarding "closures of bottles", (needed, I am sure).......Regards (again)

 

[mshchem]

I just spoke with Freestyle. They show Tetenal E6 kits with availability on Jan 24. The rep said the removal of the E6 kit listing from their website was a mistake that she would follow up on. It seems that demand for the kit is higher than Tetenal anticipated.

In the meantime, I ordered the small Arista kit and will give that try.

On another topic... Yes, the cardboard seals on the bottles are absolutely worthless! Too bad, they are nice bottles. And the use of a separate, cardboard disk instead of a molded conical lip in the cap makes absolutely no sense. Not only does it not serve the purpose of a seal, it actually costs more to produce. I assumed it was some weird, German cultural thing. But the last Ilford chemicals I bought were the same way.

This is good news. I'm currently using Fuji E6, before my current batch of Fuji arrived, I had a partial Fuji kit, leftovers. The Fuji 1st developer was no good, crystals. I had a 4 year old bottle of the Tetenal 1st developer, I had split it from the 5 liter kit. I used the old Tetenal 1st developer with the Fuji (the other 6 baths ) worked great..