new photo paper in the mix, galaxy direct positive

removed account4 · Jun 15, 2015

i just got an email today from galaxy-paper.com
it is an announcement of a soon to be announced
kickstarter project to make a high speed direct positive paper

http://galaxy-paper.com

it doesn't seem their kickstarter is live yet, but will be very soon.

john

Daire Quinlan · Jun 16, 2015

The devil is in the details though

"Adjusted reversal process. User-friendly." and elsewhere they talk about "Since we use our original proprietary recipe, the developing solutions might have a little different chemicals combination than the regular developers." I would say that it's a high speed paper with some proprietary reversal procedure, I assume they'll ship the paper & chems together or something.

pdeeh · Jun 16, 2015

They might want to update their spiel about the demise of DP paper now that Harman are about to reintroduce their offering ...

It does sound as though this is a paper optimised for reversal processing rather than a direct positive paper, as Daire Quinlan says.

pdeeh · Jun 16, 2015

I'm sure there was a thread last year where someone was enthusing about possibly getting photobooth paper from eastern europe slit to normal sizes ... I can't find it now but I'm pretty sure the discussion was on similar lines to this KS.

Jim Moore · Jun 16, 2015

•RC-based (resin-coated) ------ I stopped reading at this point.

pdeeh · Jun 16, 2015

removed account4 · Jun 16, 2015

Jim Moore said:
•RC-based (resin-coated) ------ I stopped reading at this point.

Isn't the Harman /ilford dp rc paper as well?
I think the macco.stuff is ...

Jim Moore · Jun 16, 2015

jnanian said:
Isn't the Harman /ilford dp rc paper as well?
I think the macco.stuff is ...

Harman/Ilford has both RC and Fiber.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=direct+positive&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

AgX · Jun 16, 2015

jnanian said:
Isn't the Harman /ilford dp rc paper as well?
I think the macco.stuff is ...

The Imago material is PET based.

removed account4 · Jun 16, 2015

is PET rc ? sorry for my cluelessness

as far as i have read and was told by KODAK
rc materials are just as if not more archival than FB papers ..
i can understand that some people don't like rc cause, it looks plastic
i have grown fond of it over the years ...

analoguey · Jun 16, 2015

jnanian said:
is PET rc ? sorry for my cluelessness

as far as i have read and was told by KODAK
rc materials are just as if not more archival than FB papers ..
i can understand that some people don't like rc cause, it looks plastic
i have grown fond of it over the years ...

PET : RoW naming of RC afaik. PolyEthylene I think is what it refers to.

Dr Croubie · Jun 16, 2015

Jim Moore said:
Harman/Ilford has both RC and Fiber.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/searc...&N=0&InitialSearch=yes&sts=ma&Top+Nav-Search=

Is the new resurrected HDPP in RC as well now? Sweet!
The old stuff was only in FB (at least, whatever was left when I discovered it). I know there is a lot of hate for RC for whatever reason, but I love it, especially when I want something to mount on a wall and not mount wrapped around a basketball.

So this new paper is more of a reversal-optimised-with-special-chems than the HDPP which is reversal-using-regular-paper-dev?
I don't mind either, as long as it goes to completion like normal paper and isn't a bitch on timing like E6. If it can get lower contrast than HDPP, or even more pan than just-ortho-blue, I'd be very interested...

Oren Grad · Jun 17, 2015

Dr Croubie said:
Is the new resurrected HDPP in RC as well now?

No, Harman's announcement was for FB only. I suspect the B&H listing for RC is in error.

AgX · Jun 17, 2015

jnanian said:
is PET rc ? sorry for my cluelessness.

RC basically means a paper with its paper-base coated with some resin. But practically it only is used to designate a paper coated with miniscule layers of Polyethylene (PE).

PET means Polyester. It is not used as a coating but as a base.

In this case to yield Cibachrome-like mirrorgloss. (Made by Ilford Imaging anyway.)

Simon R Galley · Jun 17, 2015

Direct positive from HARMAN is FB ( Baryta ) base ONLY.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

removed account4 · Jun 17, 2015

thanks for clearing that up simon !

sorry about suggesting otherwise ( my memory is on the blink )
i remember it came in both flavors originally,
... maybe i am thinking of something else ?

FB is good stuff

Joe VanCleave · Jun 17, 2015

Aw, shucks! I do like the FB HDPP, but was also hoping for an RC version as well, mainly due to its quicker rinse and dry times, as this would make more practical a one-step street portrait project.

~Joe

Simon R Galley · Jun 17, 2015

Dear Jnanian.... your memory is just fine it did come originally in RC as well as FB.

Dear Joe.... Sorry.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Daire Quinlan · Jun 17, 2015

Joe VanCleave said:
Aw, shucks! I do like the FB HDPP, but was also hoping for an RC version as well, mainly due to its quicker rinse and dry times, as this would make more practical a one-step street portrait project.

You could try some of the Imago stuff (if it's still available). Origins slightly unclear, but I believe it's the same emulsion as the Ilford DP (though I could be wrong) but on a weird plasticky base.

Ian Grant · Jun 17, 2015

analoguey said:
PET : RoW naming of RC afaik. PolyEthylene I think is what it refers to.

Ilfochrome/Cibachrome was on a transluscent white PET (Polyester) base it's not the same as Resin coated, the firsts water proof papers were made for Military use (initially and were PE Polyethylene Encapsulated. PET is not normal Polyethylene it's Polyethylene terephthalate.

Sheet films are also coated on PET, 35mm and 120 are normally coated on acetate base.

Ian

AgX · Jun 17, 2015

Daire Quinlan said:
You could try some of the Imago stuff (if it's still available). Origins slightly unclear, but I believe it's the same emulsion as the Ilford DP (though I could be wrong) but on a weird plasticky base.

The emulsion of that Harman paper was toll-manufactured by Ilford Imaging. And also toll-coated by them in past, before coating was transfered to Harman.
It later was also toll-coated by Ilford Imaging onto their very own PET base.

Simon R Galley · Jun 18, 2015

Dear AGX

A slight correction.

ILFORD CH never coated HARMAN Direct Positive RC or FB.

Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited :

Xmas · Jun 18, 2015

Ian Grant said:
Ilfochrome/Cibachrome was on a transluscent white PET (Polyester) base it's not the same as Resin coated, the firsts water proof papers were made for Military use (initially and were PE Polyethylene Encapsulated. PET is not normal Polyethylene it's Polyethylene terephthalate.

Sheet films are also coated on PET, 35mm and 120 are normally coated on acetate base.

Ian

Only a few special 35mm films were on a PET base.
Eg surveillance cameras that took a cine camera spool fill/load with exceptionally long length, as the pet base can be very thin allowing 48.8m of PET on normal 30.5m spool.
The CHS100 is on a PET base still I think.
The HP5+ 72 shots in normal cassette were on a PET base...
Etc.
There were others. PET is dimensionally stable, dries flat, and won't tear sprocket hole even when thin.

AgX · Jun 18, 2015

Simon R Galley said:
Dear AGX
A slight correction.

ILFORD CH never coated HARMAN Direct Positive RC or FB.

Sorry Simon in case I am wrong.
But I have a good source for my statement.

(But I was not hinting at the Harman labelled version with that detail, maybe that is the cause for the confusion.)

Simon R Galley · Jun 18, 2015

Yes that is the confusion.. ILFORD CH Never coated any HARMAN branded product.

Simon.

new photo paper in the mix, galaxy direct positive

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