New look to Kodak Ultramax

[mshchem]

That is far from clear - other than the fact that they don't have competitors.
And much of the cine film production may be the intermediate films - not camera films.
They also have growing volumes in their non-photographic Estar sales.

If EK is making custom polyester films, (not photo films) that would be great.

And Matt I've made it clear I'm speculating as is everyone.

And in my defense I'm an idiot.

 

[ArthurDodger]

Great Comments on this thread. A couple of additions.
1) Motion Picture Origination film is Acetate (for the camera damage reasons stated above). Intermediate films for editing and print films for presentation are all on ESTAR and have been for years..
2) All of Kodak's Color SUCs (Funsavers) are on 800 ESTAR. So, it is highly likely it is the same emulsion as 135 Portra 800. There really is no reason for them to have more than one coating for 800.
3) I suspect that the BW TMAX in the SUC is also ESTAR. (So Tmax would be Estar) It makes sense to have all the film the "same" dimensionally for the factory automation.

But as noted above for all the reasons stated. Still Photo film will likely all migrate to ESTAR in the coming months, if it hasn't already. Thanks everyone for your input and comments!

 

[mshchem]

Estar will last forever that's a great thing.

 

[MattKing]

Great Comments on this thread. A couple of additions.
1) Motion Picture Origination film is Acetate (for the camera damage reasons stated above). Intermediate films for editing and print films for presentation are all on ESTAR and have been for years..
2) All of Kodak's Color SUCs (Funsavers) are on 800 ESTAR. So, it is highly likely it is the same emulsion as 135 Portra 800. There really is no reason for them to have more than one coating for 800.
3) I suspect that the BW TMAX in the SUC is also ESTAR. (So Tmax would be Estar) It makes sense to have all the film the "same" dimensionally for the factory automation.

But as noted above for all the reasons stated. Still Photo film will likely all migrate to ESTAR in the coming months, if it hasn't already. Thanks everyone for your input and comments!

I doubt they have the resources to migrate the emulsions all within a few months. Each change in substrate requires substantial amounts of $$$$$ and time.

 

[Quiver2]

Great Comments on this thread. A couple of additions.
1) Motion Picture Origination film is Acetate (for the camera damage reasons stated above). Intermediate films for editing and print films for presentation are all on ESTAR and have been for years..
2) All of Kodak's Color SUCs (Funsavers) are on 800 ESTAR. So, it is highly likely it is the same emulsion as 135 Portra 800. There really is no reason for them to have more than one coating for 800.
3) I suspect that the BW TMAX in the SUC is also ESTAR. (So Tmax would be Estar) It makes sense to have all the film the "same" dimensionally for the factory automation.

But as noted above for all the reasons stated. Still Photo film will likely all migrate to ESTAR in the coming months, if it hasn't already. Thanks everyone for your input and comments!

I would have to differ on Kodak not having more than one 800 speed emulsion. Lomo CN 800 exists, and I'm sure that it isn't Fuji making it. I'm also fairly sure that all of the Lomo color negative line in 120 is polyester.

 

[foc]

Lomo CN 800 exists,

My understanding is that the Lomo CN800 is the same as Kodak GT800-5 that is in the Single Use Cameras (disposables).

 

[Quiver2]

My understanding is that the Lomo CN800 is the same as Kodak GT800-5 that is in the Single Use Cameras (disposables).

Which was my understanding as well. I was addressing the silly comment that implied that Kodak was filling their one time use cameras with Portra 800. Also that they were going to full Estar on 120 based on my experience with what has essentially become an off brand line for them.

 

[Agulliver]

Lomography 800 and Portra 800 certainly behaved differently when I tried them. I like Lomography 800 for shooting in the jazz club. Have shot probably 8 rolls of it there, and another 4 on other occasions such as sunsets, bigger gigs (including at the O2 London). When I tried Portra 800 at the jazz club using my usual lab for dev and scan the results were very different including thin negs and too much green.

I am fully certain that Lomo 800 and Portra 800 are different. I am prepared to believe that the Lomo 800 is the same stuff that Kodak puts into single use/disposable cameras.

 

[Arcadia4]

I'm fairly sure the Lomo 800/ Kodak Single Use Camera film has been previously identified as Ultramax 800 or derivative thereof.

The market for 800 speed film sold separately is probably only a fraction of that in 400, so it makes sense that Kodak only sells its premium portra product in that market.

 

[Arcadia4]

135-36 Ultramax complete packaging

 

[Helios 1984]

Looks like a bootleg.

If it were, it would say “Kopak” or “Kojak”

 

[Agulliver]

My local camera shop has had a good sized shipment of Gold 200 in the new boxes.

 

[Prest_400]

I was looking at Tradera, a Swedish auction site and saw there is also a new design to Gold with the same features and in this case it was a tripack.

Photo merely copied from the listing:

 

[ArthurDodger]

135-36 Ultramax complete packaging

View attachment 342660 View attachment 342661 View attachment 342662 View attachment 342663

They Switched to ESTAR Base. They also soft launched Gold 200 in ESTAR with the Purple Instead of Blue Packaging.

 

[Agulliver]

For the record, the shop I referred to above has single boxes, not the 3-packs. The boxes don't have any extra card for attaching to a hanger. They're standard boxes, in the new purple and yellow design. I have to say, they caught my eye imiediately in the "wall of film" behind the counter. They are quite eye-catching. It was immediatley obvious that there was Kodak colour film in stock even from a distance. It stood out from the other stocks on offer at that shop.....Ilford HP5+, FP4+, XP2, Kodak TMAX 100.

 

[Bronson Dugnutt]

I presume both UltraMax and Gold are still in the original style yellow/black/white canisters?

Here's some old 35mm for comparison (plus a more recent & recognizably purple pack of 120 Gold 200).

 

[Adrian Bacon]

Yes I would also love to see the fine print, and if that is just for the UK market?

No. It's here in the U.S. I just received a bunch of inventory and both UltraMax and Gold have new boxes. Ultramax is what you see in this thread, Gold is the same except purple instead of blue.