Today if you learn cinematography wouldn't it be better to use digital first? You can move on to film but learning film first doesn't make sense. And then if you move over to film wouldn't it be better to use 35mm or larger equipment? The super 8 extended gate format is really a hybrid.
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Today if you learn cinematography wouldn't it be better to use digital first? You can move on to film but learning film first doesn't make sense. And then if you move over to film wouldn't it be better to use 35mm or larger equipment? The super 8 extended gate format is really a hybrid.
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Film schools and departments usually use 16mm cameras. And for a reason. Using 35mm film would be unrealistically expansive. In addition, the cost of cameras, editing equipment, etc are exorbitant.
As for the new Kodak Super8, obviously with a warranty covering only 20 rolls, is not built with the ruggedness of the old Kodak 100 16mm cameras of the past. My feeling is that this camera was conceived by engineers who were not movie makers. Hence the criticisms by the film maker in the video.
As for the new Kodak Super8, obviously with a warranty covering only 20 rolls, is not built with the ruggedness of the old Kodak 100 16mm cameras of the past. My feeling is that this camera was conceived by engineers who were not movie makers. Hence the criticisms by the film maker in the video.
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Film schools and departments usually use 16mm. Using 35mm film, cameras, editing equipment would be exorbitantly expensive.
After watching the above video I get the impression that this camera was designed by engineers with no experience in film making. With a warranty of only 20 rolls, Kodak has little faith in its robustness. For $5,500?! Especially when compared with the 16mm Kodak 100, many of which are still going strong.
I guess they won't be selling it in Europe or the UK with that warranty.....
20 rolls that's an hour and 10 minutes.
I know for sure that that many of theese schools teach both digital and film. And Super8 makes sense for cost reasons compared to 16mm and 35mm.
And I remember that when the first announcements / talks / previews of that camera were published years ago, that these schools were discussed as a target market.
I was on the visual aid squad when I was 12 in the 1950s showing all the movies to the students in the auditorium. It was 16mm WITH SOUND. Does the new Super 8 have sound?
If they do, they’ll have to sell business to business to avoid consumer laws to be applicable.
But, seriously - 20 rolls warranty on a $5.5K camera! Is that for real?
It does and it doesn't. No sound is recorded on the film but separately on an SD card. The sound will be combined with the pictures in the video that they return to you. But if you want to project the film using the Super 8 projector there will be no sound and also the projector will not project the whole frame as the new extended gate super 8 frame is slightly larger than the super 8. Because of these things I think it's not a good system to learn shooting film.
No schools will be buying this camera. Schools don't have money to throw away. Any "film" school only currently has 16mm or super8 cameras because they've had them for years. How on earth could you justify purchasing this camera to a board of trustees?
This camera is for people with money to burn.
This camera is for people with money to burn.
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I've bought three, still have two, all bought used. All three were, um, flaky. This was consistent with Lenny Lipton's report on new ones in The Super8 Book.
I used the first (4008 ZM) as part payment on the second (5008S MS) that I bought to use short-dated sound film, which was very cheap at the time, later bought a third (4008 ZM2). The first's auto exposure control failed in mid shoot. The second two were very troublesome. A friend in Paris discussed them with Beaulieu, who insisted that there was no capable repair shop for them in the US. So they went to France for service. Expensive. And the truth is that when a humble Canon 310XL, a camera with much less capability, could get the shot it produced better footage than the Beaulieus.
What do you mean the sound will be combined with the pictures? Do they give you a digital memory card that has both sound and video?
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This camera is intended to be used by people who shoot on film and then have the developed film digitized immediately.
The digital intermediate is then used in the video editing part of film production, just like in most modern movie production.
The digital intermediate is then used in the video editing part of film production, just like in most modern movie production.
When you send the film to Kodak for processing they would develop the film as negative then scanned them in 4K format, combined the sound you have recorded on the SD card and put it on a memory stick and send back to you. You won't have a roll of sound super 8 film coming back. If you shoot positive film like Ektachrome or Tri-X reversal then you can project the film but it's still sient. In fact the film that they sell you now doesn't have the magnetic track. That's why I don't think it's good for learning as the workflow isn't purely film. It's hybrid. If you do editing it's would be in digital. You don't cut and splice like the old days.
Yes it's for the people who like the film look but prefer to work on digital. That's why 8mm is more suited because it would exaggerate the grainy, blurry, low res a lot more. If you shoot on 35 then it's hard to tell the diifrence. Also the reviewers said the image isn't stable I think that would make it looks like film.
In other words the $5500 camera compared to say the Nikon Z30 for $700 would give you the same 4K video footage. But the Z30 footage won't look like it shot on 8mm film.
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What 4K format is the returned video provided in? Are there options depending on what the film is and who develops it?
A lab like Pro8mm in California would do it. You can send them the media or they can email you (I don't know how they email large file) but they said it would cost $5 a GB extra.
Kodak have talked of a package deal where you can purchase the film, processing and scanning. Meanwhile there are numerous dealers worldwide who sell super 8 film in all it's current flavours, and labs who process and scan it. Generally you choose the resolution and format of the file. Uncompressed 4K obviously costs more than moderately compressed 1080. You also choose between a log scan and colour corrected scan. You can even buy one of those 300 dollarpound amateur home scanners, get yourself some basic editing software and have a go yourself. It's not too difficult to invert the image and make a decent stab at colour correction yourself. It won't be as good as a professional (unless you're trained or super talented) but you can do it. I have.
They will almost certainly email a download link rather than email the file directly. I've used Gauge Film here in the UK and they emailed me a link to files which were about 2Gb for B&W 8mm 2K scans.
They will also probably offer to mail a DVD or USB stick. Though some labs I've looked at ask you to send your own USB flash drive with your films.
Yes whatever it's digital media and is not relevant as you can always change it after you get it. What I really wanted to say is that his camera is not for those who want to cut and splice or even project them the old fashion way.
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Since at this moment Film Ferrania follows this listing, I remember in the magazines devoted to 8mm, Super 8, and 16 mm movie making that Ferrania was entering film manufacture. This was when Kodak was only offering Super 8 with an ASA that required using ND filters and other manipulation in order to use. Ferrania to the recue. Since then, nothing from them regarding Super 8.
If I can broaden your horizon. These are 16-mm. film movie cameras with vertically full fitting register pins:
- Mitchell 16 Professional and Mitchell SS R
- Arriflex 16 S/M/BL/SR/416
- Bell & Howell 2709, 16 mm, and Wall 16
- Doiflex 16
- Fearless 16
- Kinor
- Panaflex 16
Sort of locating pin or claw have these cameras:
- Siemens & Halske C 16
- Excel 38/40
- GIC 16
- Eclair NPR
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