New films shown at ICIS by Fuji and Kodak

Photo Engineer · May 8, 2006

Fuji people were excited about their new 1200 speed negative film and they gave a talk on their 400 speed reversal film at the ICIS conference today. Members of their team were using a new Fuji camera with samples of the 1200 speed film. These films will only be available in Japan for the time being.

The data for the 400 speed film indicates that it should have the grain and color reproduction of their 100 speed reversal films.

Kodak showed a sample motion picture film comparing their new 50D Vision film and their other new Vision films. The shots were stunning, especially the stills comparing grain and sharpness. This was followed by a talk on the 2 electron sensitization.

Tomorrow, Kodak will reveal the worlds fastest B&W reversal film. It has a speed of 24,000. I am looking forward to that talk. Anyone want any of this one?????? Sample pictures are shown on page 220 of the ICIC 06 proceedings.

I plan on being at this one!

PE

Mick Fagan · May 9, 2006

Interesting information, many thanks for keeping us posted.

Looks like Megaperls in Japan, may be the saviour in supplying the rest of the world these new products.

I hope that it will be possible to reversal process in a normal darkroom. I just took a light reading at 25k ASA and under fleuro lights I am getting 1/250 @ f8 for a highlight reading with the cone over the cell on my profisix meter.

That's rather amazing!

Mick.

Petzi · May 9, 2006

Photo Engineer said:
Tomorrow, Kodak will reveal the worlds fastest B&W reversal film. It has a speed of 24,000. I am looking forward to that talk. Anyone want any of this one?????? Sample pictures are shown on page 220 of the ICIC 06 proceedings.

I am sure they can make a high speed film in the lab, but will they bring it to the market also?

Michel Hardy-Vallée · May 9, 2006

Ron, now that yesterday's "tomorrow" is today, do you have a link to Kodak's 24k ASA film specs, or some sort of info? Is it expected on the market at some point? Photokina?

removed account4 · May 9, 2006

will the high speed films only be for scientific applications or will they be sold to the general public (and if so any idea of the format?).

HerrBremerhaven · May 9, 2006

24000 ISO sounds like surveillance film. I do lots of night shots, and would be interested. However, I would probably want to be able to pull process down to 12000, or maybe 6400. Interesting stuff indeed.

Will the new Fuji ISO 400 be available in Quickloads? Thanks for any information.

Ciao!

Gordon

sanderx1 · May 9, 2006

Photo Engineer said:
Fuji people were excited about their new 1200 speed negative film and they gave a talk on their 400 speed reversal film at the ICIS conference today. Members of their team were using a new Fuji camera with samples of the 1200 speed film. These films will only be available in Japan for the time being.

The data for the 400 speed film indicates that it should have the grain and color reproduction of their 100 speed reversal films.
PE

So that 400 speed reversal film would be one step beyond the announced Provia 400X? Or was it just Provia 400X?

Photo Engineer · May 9, 2006

The film Fuji announced was indeed Provia X, but they showed us data on it compared to their current 100 speed film. It looks great. They showed nothing about the 1200 speed film. Dr Tani from Fuji was using some in his camera, and I got to use it to take a few pictures of him and his group, and then they took one of some of us old guys from EK. I had dinner with him and his wife, and during the talk he only said that it was now on sale in Japan or soon would be. He was not sure either, as it was so new.

I will have more on the Kodak film later, but basically Kodak is doing something unprecendented. One of the inventors handed out PREORDER FORMS at the ICIS meeting soliciting orders from potential customers to see what the customer base would be like. Based on this, if Kodak gets enough orders, then they will make a trial run of it. It is a panchromatic 24,000 speed reversal B&W film that is thermally developed.

I saw the pictures today, taken at a speed of 24,000 and they are truly amazing! It is the worlds fastest film. And, Fuji reps present at the meeting did not deny it!

I will scan in the form after the ICIS meeting is over and I have the authors permission to post it on APUG. I just got in and it is late.

There were a few APUG members there too. It was nice to see them and chat with them. Some of them are EK people or ex EK people who prefer to remain anonymous but they were there and gave me some encouragement.

Regards to you all.

PE

roteague · May 9, 2006

HerrBremerhaven said:
Will the new Fuji ISO 400 be available in Quickloads? Thanks for any information.

Provia 400X is not going to be available in QuickLoads. 120 will be the largest size, from what I read of the announcement.

http://www.fujifilmusa.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/bin/Fujichrome_Provia400X_Brochure.pdf

I asked the Fuji rep in Toronto about this film and he said it would not be available until September at the earliest.

Photo Engineer · May 11, 2006

Unless I see interest in the advance order form from Kodak for the new high speed film, I will not go to the trouble of scanning it in and posting it.

I thought that this first by EK would generate more interest.

PE

Lachlan Young · May 11, 2006

Photo Engineer said:
Unless I see interest in the advance order form from Kodak for the new high speed film, I will not go to the trouble of scanning it in and posting it.

I thought that this first by EK would generate more interest.

PE

I am interested in this film and espcially how they intend it to be developed.

Thanks,

Lachlan

Petzi · May 11, 2006

We have no information on how to process it, and what the minimum order is.

Fintan · May 11, 2006

I've never heard of thermally developed film :confused:

wirehead · May 11, 2006

Photo Engineer said:
Unless I see interest in the advance order form from Kodak for the new high speed film, I will not go to the trouble of scanning it in and posting it.

I thought that this first by EK would generate more interest.

PE

Please, post. I'm intensely curious.

The way I calculate it, at 24,000 asa, with nothing but moonlight for illumination that would be in the range of f/2 and 1/15th.

That's definately within the realm of tripod-optional night photography.

Pictures of how this can be used fill my brain.

Helen B · May 11, 2006

PE, I'm definitely interested. I would have liked to have made it to the conference, but am a bit too busy at the moment.

Thanks,
Helen

Photo Engineer · May 11, 2006

Kodak Order form for Experimental Film

Ok, here goes.

A thermally developed film uses only heat for processing, no special processing chemicals. When done with the heat step, the image is stable and light insensitive.

There are lots of thermally developed films on the market at this time, mostly for medical imaging, but also for other types of rapid access imaging. One of the pioneers in this field was Grant Haist.

Kodak is doing this to test the market for this product. It is an unprecedented step for them so be nice. Don't spoil things by abusing the e-mail addresses of these people.

PE

Photo Engineer · May 11, 2006

Petzi said:
We have no information on how to process it, and what the minimum order is.

As you see from the form, the processing instructions are included, but Kodak may offer to process it for you so that they can monitor the results. IDK.

Basically, you use a heated metal plate and you hold the film on the plate (in the industry it is called a hot shoe) and the film develops. Don't inhale the fumes.

And, you tell them your minimum order. Thats the way this will work.

BTW, this does NOT guarantee production of the film, nor does it guarantee results. You see it says EXPERIMENTAL FILM. This is a FIRST ladies and gentllemen.

PE

Petzi · May 11, 2006

160 degrees Celsius? My first thought was, the film is going to melt at that temperature.

p krentz · May 11, 2006

Photo Engineer said:
Ok, here goes.

A thermally developed film uses only heat for processing, no special processing chemicals. When done with the heat step, the image is stable and light insensitive.

There are lots of thermally developed films on the market at this time, mostly for medical imaging, but also for other types of rapid access imaging. One of the pioneers in this field was Grant Haist.

Kodak is doing this to test the market for this product. It is an unprecedented step for them so be nice. Don't spoil things by abusing the e-mail addresses of these people.

PE

I gather from the form that it is only going to be in roll film, so, my next question is: How much for how much? Pat

Photo Engineer · May 11, 2006

I have processed at up to 200 deg C.

As for cost, I wish I knew.

Size? Who knows. Give it a try with some sheet film requests. They probably could cut it that way. Experimental coatings are routinely made in 4x5 'chops' but on 5 mil estar instead of 7 mil or 2 mil. It depends.

PE

wirehead · May 11, 2006

Okay, I have sent off my request.

I'm still debating as to if it would have been tasteful to say "to show up my DSLR using friends" as one of the applications.

bobbysandstrom · May 11, 2006

Boy it's great to hear about this. It could be a new wave for the future as it would be so practical with regards to image storage when compared to digital. I have mentioned how nice it would be to have a thermal printer that would connect to a computer and spit out an image that resides in an emulsion. Wow, the possibilities are certainly exciting!

DBP · May 11, 2006

wirehead said:
Okay, I have sent off my request.

I'm still debating as to if it would have been tasteful to say "to show up my DSLR using friends" as one of the applications.

And SLR using friends in general for that matter. EI 24000 is definitely rangefinder work. I'd love to see people react to me taking action pics at night with a Speed Graphic, no tripod, and no flash.

Weegee might have to come back from the dead to use this one.

Petzi · May 12, 2006

I think I'm going to use my mother's old flat iron.

Petzi · May 12, 2006

I am wondering about grain. Will it be useful in 35mm?

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