NEW FILM : BERGGER Pancro 400

Sal Santamaura · Feb 21, 2015

Sal Santamaura said:
Aurelien, in a recent APUG thread it was claimed that Bergger would soon "manufacture" products. I assume this is the first of them. Will you let us know whether Bergger has indeed begun coating film? Or is BERGGER Pancro 400 something custom made by another manufacturer, perhaps to Bergger's specifications, and then packaged either by Bergger or the actual manufacturer, also to Bergger's specifications?

If Bergger sources this film from another manufacturer, it would be good to know which one. Many of your potential customers do not wish to risk the shortcomings and defects frequently evident in sensitized products from lower-tier-quality coating facilities...

BERGGER said:
...Concerning the manufacture of the film: is it necessary to own a coating machine to produce film?...

The subtleties of English come into play here. "Manufacture" and "produce" are related words, the first of which is defined as "the making of articles on a large scale using machinery" and the second meaning "to make or manufacture from components or raw materials." Therefore, I don't think Bergger can be said to "manufacture" film, which was my question above. If Inoviscoat supplies the film in bulk and you are 'confectioning' it, i.e. assembling the sheets, envelopes and labeled boxes, then Bergger can be said to "produce" it. On the other hand, if Inoviscoat performs all those operations, proper nomenclature for what Bergger is doing would be "marketing."

BERGGER said:
...Who can afford to have a coating line today ? Kodak and Fuji, but they are suffering, Ilford, and they share it, Inoviscoat, only for custom coatings, and Foma...

Since Pancro 400's "Made in Germany" box label gives away the fact that Inoviscoat is your supplier, I need no more information.

BERGGER said:
...BERGGER is a high quality brand that elaborates high quality products. We will propose to you only products that are original and come from a high level quality coating line...

Your post eliminated Foma and any other lower-tier quality coaters, so this commitment is already implicit.

Andrew O'Neill · Feb 21, 2015

We have other projects in our pipeline , but I won't say more today, because we have a lot to do before

I hope that that would include a real infra-red film, in sheet film sizes up to 8x10.

Question: Can you post a spectral sensitivity graph of Pancro 400 here, please?

Thank you for bringing a new film out! I'll definitely try it.

David A. Goldfarb · Feb 21, 2015

I'm enthusiastic to see a new film on the market, but still feeling a lack of clarity on what it is.

Can you say definitively that this is an entirely new film, unique to Bergger, that has not been marketed under any other brand name in the past, and is not currently being marketed under another brand?

BERGGER · Feb 21, 2015

David A. Goldfarb said:
I'm enthusiastic to see a new film on the market, but still feeling a lack of clarity on what it is.

Can you say definitively that this is an entirely new film, unique to Bergger, that has not been marketed under any other brand name in the past, and is not currently being marketed under another brand?

Yes, I do !

David A. Goldfarb · Feb 21, 2015

Thanks for the response. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Dr Croubie · Feb 21, 2015

BrianShaw said:
Knowing which side is emulsion is most important. Anything else a notch can provide is gravy.

Depends on if there's edge-markings or not. Once Kodak or Fuji film is loaded, then the notch has done its work because I can see what film it is once it's been developed (assuming I label my holders properly and don't accidentally cross-process, which I haven't done yet).
But Ilford film (and my APX100) has no edge markings on their sheets, so I rely on the notch-code to know what it is after I've developed it too.
So if there's edge markings, that's cool, but if there's no edge-markings, please create a unique notch.

But more to the point - Woo! New Film!
Know if/when/how I can get it in Australia? (Try posting some to cheapshotsau would be good).
Or if Macodirect.de are going to carry it, I'll get some from them to try next time I buy some colour chems...

BERGGER · Feb 21, 2015

Dr Croubie said:
Depends on if there's edge-markings or not. Once Kodak or Fuji film is loaded, then the notch has done its work because I can see what film it is once it's been developed (assuming I label my holders properly and don't accidentally cross-process, which I haven't done yet).
But Ilford film (and my APX100) has no edge markings on their sheets, so I rely on the notch-code to know what it is after I've developed it too.
So if there's edge markings, that's cool, but if there's no edge-markings, please create a unique notch.

But more to the point - Woo! New Film!
Know if/when/how I can get it in Australia? (Try posting some to cheapshotsau would be good).
Or if Macodirect.de are going to carry it, I'll get some from them to try next time I buy some colour chems...

BERGGER is sold by GoldSTreet Studio in Australia and New Zealand

Black Dog · Feb 21, 2015

David A. Goldfarb said:
Thanks for the response. I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Me too-I'll be interested to see how it compares to good old Fortepan 400,one of my favourites in both 35mm [developed in Rodinal] and 4x5 [in PMK].

Dr Croubie · Feb 21, 2015

BERGGER said:
BERGGER is sold by GoldSTreet Studio in Australia and New Zealand

Woo!

I mean damn. I've been meaning to buy some Gelatine from them for ages. Now I'll just have to wait until this film is out and get them both at once.

Actually, woo! That's probably a good thing, I've got uni assignments to do and shouldn't be buying more stuff to play with until they're completed...

BERGGER · Feb 21, 2015

Black Dog said:
Me too-I'll be interested to see how it compares to good old Fortepan 400,one of my favourites in both 35mm [developed in Rodinal] and 4x5 [in PMK].

If you go on our facebook page, we published the sensitometric curve of our film with our PMK

Mick Fagan · Feb 21, 2015

BERGGER said:
If you go on our facebook page, we published the sensitometric curve of our film with our PMK

I don't do facebook, I do APUG though.

Mick.

Sal Santamaura · Feb 21, 2015

Mick Fagan said:
I don't do facebook...

Nor do I, but, unfortunately, the world disagrees with us. One doesn't need to join facebook to click on the link and read Bergger's page. I did and saw the curve. I have to do the same thing for Canham, since Keith doesn't keep his Web site updated with lots of details, but puts them on his facebook page instead. Again, I've no facebook account, but simply look at the page like any other Web page.

Andrew O'Neill · Feb 21, 2015

What is the advantage with having a high and a low contrast emulsion? I would also like to see some reciprocity data and how both emulsions are affected by it. Thank you!

AgX · Feb 21, 2015

Andrew O'Neill said:
What is the advantage with having a high and a low contrast emulsion? I would also like to see some reciprocity data and how both emulsions are affected by it. Thank you!

Fast and slow emulsion.

In combination they yield a new characteristic curve.

Andrew O'Neill · Feb 21, 2015

BERGGER is sold by GoldSTreet Studio in Australia and New Zealand

How about Canada, preferably Vancouver?

Andrew O'Neill · Feb 21, 2015

Fast and slow emulsion.

In combination they yield a new characteristic curve.

So what does that mean? How would you use that? I can understand when using VC papers that have a slow/fast high/low contrast emulsion, but how does that translate to film?

karl · Feb 21, 2015

a la Verichrome Pan.

Jim Fitzgerald · Feb 21, 2015

I would love to try this new film when it is available. I too would love to see a slow (ISO 25) speed film now that Efke is gone. I have Bergger 200 in 14x17 and shot my last sheet of 8x20 last year. It would be nice to see ULF sizes in the future.

Roger Cole · Feb 21, 2015

Well I Facebook, liked their page, and still can't find it. I see a DENSITOMETERIC curve, but nothing about the spectral sensitivity.

The d-curve looks interesting. Long toe, the usual straight line, then a long gradual shoulder. Should help prevent building excess highlight density while still showing some separation in dense areas, I'd think.

If it's anything like Verichrome Pan it could be awesome. That was a great film.

I'll look forward to trying this one, awesome news!

removed account4 · Feb 21, 2015

Aurelien:

THANK YOU !
all the best
john

munz6869 · Feb 21, 2015

Wow - I love supporting GoldStreet Studio and a film like this could wean me off my TXP fixation...

I can hardly wait!

Marc!

Randy Moe · Feb 21, 2015

Wonderful

Sal Santamaura · Feb 22, 2015

Roger Cole said:
Well I Facebook, liked their page, and still can't find it. I see a DENSITOMETERIC curve, but nothing about the spectral sensitivity...

Aurelien's post didn't answer Andrew O'Neill's question about spectral sensitivity. Aurelien referred to the Bergger facebook page's sensitometric curve. It was made using a step wedge or sensitometer to expose the film and a densitometer to read resulting densities. See definition here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensitometry

BERGGER · Feb 22, 2015

Dear all,

I only spoke about sensitometry, not spectral sensitivity.
The spectral sensitivity curve will be available later, in our datasheet

miha · Feb 22, 2015

Great news, thank you!
Please share the (polyester) base thickness with us please.

Thanks.

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