New film Amber 800T Chinese repackage of V3 800T?

[Don_ih]

Maybe Alaris is mediating the purchases of bulk amounts of film by Lomography and Cinestill from Eastman and taking a cut.

 

[MattKing]

Maybe Alaris is mediating the purchases of bulk amounts of film by Lomography and Cinestill from Eastman and taking a cut.

I think that, at least before recent changes, that was probably the situation in the past.
But this new remjetless Cinestill ECN film is more akin to the custom coating that has always been available from Eastman Kodak - if you have the bucks, and aren't selling the result as Kodak still (or movie) film.

 

[Don_ih]

I think that, at least before recent changes, that was probably the situation in the past.
But this new remjetless Cinestill ECN film is more akin to the custom coating that has always been available from Eastman Kodak - if you have the bucks, and aren't selling the result as Kodak still (or movie) film.

Yet the resulting product is direct competition for Kodak branded film. That should make the penny counters at Alaris upset - unless they get roughly the same profit they normally get. It would be a winning scenario for Alaris. They wouldn't need to package, market, sell, or ship it.

 

[Helge]

I think that, at least before recent changes, that was probably the situation in the past.
But this new remjetless Cinestill ECN film is more akin to the custom coating that has always been available from Eastman Kodak - if you have the bucks, and aren't selling the result as Kodak still (or movie) film.

And what are those changes?

 

[MattKing]

And what are those changes?

I am not privy to the details - I am just aware that the situation has been changed.

 

[MattKing]

Yet the resulting product is direct competition for Kodak branded film. That should make the penny counters at Alaris upset - unless they get roughly the same profit they normally get. It would be a winning scenario for Alaris. They wouldn't need to package, market, sell, or ship it.

Eastman Kodak has always been happy to contract coat film that will compete with Kodak film. You just needed a lot of money to make it happen.
And they have never been willing to re-brand current Kodak still film product.

 

[Helge]

I am not privy to the details - I am just aware that the situation has been changed.

That could mean anything. Sure there isn't the slightest extra details in whatever source you have?

 

[MattKing]

That could mean anything. Sure there isn't the slightest extra details in whatever source you have?

Sorry to disappoint. Eastman Kodak does remain completely a B2B seller though - no retail component whatsoever, outside of cine film.

 

[cmacd123]

And they have never been willing to re-brand current Kodak still film product.

for many years Eastman Kodak was under an agreement with the FTC to NOT produce any Private label film as the assumption was that with their Volume they would swamp any other manufacturer.

that restriction has been lifted, and it does appear that they made for example the "Arista Premium" film for Freestyle. (I really wonder in retrspect if that was the OLD version of Plux-x reversal and Tri-X reversal. that product was normally sold in 16mm only, But they were "persuaded" by the EPA to revise both stocks to use a different Bleach. Left over film slit instead to 35mm Might be OK as still film, and would explain why the Premium 100 was 100 and not 125. could not beat the price in any case.)

 

[brbo]

Yet the resulting product is direct competition for Kodak branded film. That should make the penny counters at Alaris upset - unless they get roughly the same profit they normally get. It would be a winning scenario for Alaris. They wouldn't need to package, market, sell, or ship it.

And then there is the situation of Fuji 200 film (Kodak Gold 200). Hard to see how Alaris would get the same profit from this deal since retail price of Fuji 200 is less than Kodak Gold 200. Unless we assume that Fuji is actually loosing money on this film.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

But this might interfere with the non-public Kodak/ Kodak Alaris contract.

As long as you don't sell it as being Kodak or "coated by Eastmann Kodak"
I think Kodak Alaris has the right to sell "ready to use" film (so 135 cartridges, 120 rolls, sheet film) with Kodak name, but anyone can buy big rolls of film.

 

[AgX]

Problem is none of us knows the details of that cintract. We do not even know the basics: is Kodak Alaris the decisionmaker concerning still films and Eastnman Kodak just a tollmanufacturer to order, or is Eastman Kodak the decisionmaker concerning products.

 

[MattKing]

Problem is none of us knows the details of that cintract. We do not even know the basics: is Kodak Alaris the decisionmaker concerning still films and Eastnman Kodak just a tollmanufacturer to order, or is Eastman Kodak the decisionmaker concerning products.

They share in the decisions.
Because Eastman Kodak won't make it unless Kodak Alaris will order it and re-sell it.
And Kodak Alaris won't order it and re-sell it unless Eastman Kodak can make it, in the quantities and at a price that make it viable for Kodak Alaris to order it and re-sell it.

They each bring different information to the table - Kodak Alaris the market needs, desires and realities, and Eastman Kodak the manufacturing needs, desires and realities.
And both entities have a lot of institutional knowledge about the technical issues - e.g. when the new Ektachrome was designed, they agreed about the need to build in better keeping ability between film coating and film finishing/confectioning, because that is needed when sales amounts vary. As it turned out, retail demand was higher than expected right from the start.

 

[Highlyanimated]

Is this any cheaper than Cinestill?

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

Is this any cheaper than Cinestill?

It is the same price, at Freestyle Photo.

 

[sr44]

Actually it’s more expensive, they’re selling a 27exposure roll for the same price as a 36exp cinestill roll.

 

[jtk]

Where is it listed?
Why wouldn't the US Air Force have a freezer full of film?

Why would USAF want film in this century?

 

[MattKing]

Why would USAF want film in this century?

Just last month: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...y-says-goodbye-to-film-for-its-u-2-spy-planes

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

Actually it’s more expensive, they’re selling a 27exposure roll for the same price as a 36exp cinestill roll.

I hadn't noticed that. I will definitely being sticking to Cinestill for a tungsten-balanced film.

 

[Don_ih]

Why would USAF want film in this century?

The equipment @MattKing mentioned. They can't just go to the drug store and buy a roll of film for that thing. Who knows what else they have.