new easel (to be) introduced

[AgX]

Dunco hint at their website at a new

panorama enlarging easel 71 x 28 cm


So far there is only a description in writing.
http://www.dunco.de/apparatebau/vergroesserungsrahmen-panorama/

 

[darkosaric]

Good news for Xpan and other panorama camera users . It is nice to see that rare products for small groups of users come to market.

 

[ic-racer]

I'm not familiar with the nomenclature but would this take 28" x 11" paper? I guess I'm not familiar with any panoramic format paper available in the USA. I have always had to cut or past paper to get the right size for wide aspect ratio prints.

 

[AgX]

No.

1" = 2.54cm

 

[ic-racer]

No.

1" = 2.54cm

I guess I was wondering about the paper size it does take. For example in the USA a 11x14" easel takes 11x14" paper, the actual dimensions of the easel are much bigger. I was just wondering if that easel is designed for 71cm x 28cm paper? Or are those just the overall dimensions of the easel?

 

[MartinP]

If such a print is being made then it would most likely be from roll-paper, not cut sheets (which are not generally bigger than 60cm anyway), in order to reduce waste and increase the basic practicality of the printing process. An easel like this would probably not be bought for an amateur bathroom/darkroom after all . . .

 

[AgX]

ic-racer,

I got your point now...

Dunco in the past refered with the sizes of their easels to the max. paper size. Yes, the wording at their website is ambivalent.

Anyway, the appearance of companies as Dunco and Kienzle could be much better. But these are small companies. Kienzle at least made it to the Photokina. Extraordinary in these times.

 

[Mick Fagan]

It coud be that they are using roll paper, their description of:- "Papieranschlag in two schlitzen (oben und Links)" suggests, with my limited German, that the unit will have a maximum image size of 71x28cm and that there are two masks that slide out, one from the left, the other from the top.

I could be wrong, but it would seem that 30cm roll paper with 1cm of paper running in a gutter slide to keep it flat, would give you a top to bottom image of 28cm as a maximum. By using slide out masks, one from the left and one from the top, you can frame correctly.

I have used roll easels before and one that I used did have masks that slid out like a holland blind from one side that I can remember using. The idea is to use as little paper as possible on the long side, excess paper used on the short side is just waste anyway.

That said, roll easels generally are not moveable, well not much as they are usually pretty big mothers, plus they mostly have paper coming from one side (all I have used came from the left) then all exposed paper goes into a magazine on the right. After a point of time, either from the amount of paper used or the number of exposures done, the paper is slit, then rolled completely into the magazine which is then taken to the roller transport paper developer machine and either fed by hand, often B&W or by attachment, colour.

Interesting format as it sort of works out proportionally to my 35mm Horizon camera and would probably be better suited to 6x17 negatives than 6x12 negatives.

Whatever it turns out, if it's eventually built that is, it can only be good for us. I doubt though, if any private individual would require one. I myself have a negative mask made for my panoramic format 135 camera (Horizon).

For enlarging I made my own easel and use paper cut down from 12x16", with the waste strips being used for test enlargements. For smaller prints I use my Jobo easel which has various masking possibilities, one of which works out almost exactly to the Horizon format, 24mm by 56mm.

Mick.

 

[AgX]

As one can see here
http://www.dunco.de/apparatebau/produkte/vergroesserungen/
under "`Vergrößerungsrahmen",
they use two kinds of stops to locate paper on the easel:

-) slits to push an edge of the paper in (for white border prints , or loosing paper area)

-) spring loaded bolts for full format printing (if used with a top glass pane)

 

[Mick Fagan]

Aha, see I now, I didn't get to see any pictures as the link went direct to the panoramic format easel, with no further information.

Yep, left and top paper slits in a standard four bladed easel, nice.

If my memory is correct, one of the cut sheet paper sizes I used to use was, 30x24", 30" equates to 762mm and half of 24" equates to 304.8mm. That presumably would be the cut sheet paper (if still available) to use with the least waste for full sized prints.

I actually have the equipment to process 300mm paper in any length in my Durst Printo at home, roll paper anyone?

Mick.

 

[AgX]

Still no update on this easel by Dunco...

 

[pentaxuser]

I have found two sellers of these easels in the U.K. Both charge about the same. One of them, Silverprint started to sell these several years ago and they were expensive then. The then owner of Silverprint said that they were not cheap but neither was a Rolls Royce.

However since then the prices have become astronomical. The 16 x 12 inch one is nearly 700 GBP

If these are the prices that Dunco needs to charge then I wonder if it is debating whether enough people will buy the panoramic model to make it worthwhile to produce

Can anyone say what the euro prices of the Dunco easels are and I know I shouldn't ask this as the answer will, I suspect, be very depressing for those in the U.K. but what are the prices in the U.S.?

Thanks

pentaxuser