New Color Negative from Silberra

[laingsoft]

https://petapixel.com/2021/05/19/silberra-unveils-new-range-of-35mm-and-120-format-color-film/

I don't want to say itodaso, but itodaso

 

[Wayne]

Now all we need is some GOOD new color film. I doubt this will be giving Kodak a run for its money.

 

[foc]

itodaso

Much as I have tried, I don't understand what itodaso means.

Some people are of the opinion that it is Agfa Gevaert Mortsel Avicolor film. See the comments in Kosmo comments
https://kosmofoto.com/2021/05/exclusive-silberra-lifts-the-lid-on-new-colour-film-range/

 

[Don_ih]

Much as I have tried, I don't understand what itodaso means.

Seems to have something to do with cannabis.
Or it means "I told you so"?

 

[laingsoft]

Much as I have tried, I don't understand what itodaso means.

Some people are of the opinion that it is Agfa Gevaert Mortsel Avicolor film. See the comments in Kosmo comments
https://kosmofoto.com/2021/05/exclusive-silberra-lifts-the-lid-on-new-colour-film-range/

Interesting. I would have guessed inoviscoat/filmotec as they're already redistributing orwo as their black and white negative.

Itodaso is a reference to a fine piece of Canadian cinema.

 

[MattKing]

Itodaso is a reference to a fine piece of Canadian cinema.

Also shown as "atodaso".
"I'm not sure that "fine" is the right word though .....

 

[halfaman]

Some people are of the opinion that it is Agfa Gevaert Mortsel Avicolor film. See the comments in Kosmo comments
https://kosmofoto.com/2021/05/exclusive-silberra-lifts-the-lid-on-new-colour-film-range/

That comment mentioned the film is maskless which it is something not mentioned anywhere.

 

[AgX]

Interesting. I would have guessed inoviscoat/filmotec as they're already redistributing orwo as their black and white negative.

They are not redistributing, but making the Orwo films.

 

[foc]

That comment mentioned the film is maskless which it is something not mentioned anywhere.

Yes I saw that and the main image (used in the header) shows what appears to be maskless colour negatives in sleeves.

Stephen said at the end of the article "Kosmo Foto has already developed (but not yet scanned) the roll of Color 160 which shows no edge markings at all. (Note: We’ll be following this post with a first roll report in the coming weeks.)"

I look forward to reading the results.

 

[AgX]

That comment mentioned the film is maskless which it is something not mentioned anywhere.

Made for sure at the moment only by Kodak. And there already is Astrum as a Kodak aerial film distributor in Russia, also offering 35mm and 61mm conversions.

 

[halfaman]

Yes I saw that and the main image (used in the header) shows what appears to be maskless colour negatives in sleeves.

Stephen said at the end of the article "Kosmo Foto has already developed (but not yet scanned) the roll of Color 160 which shows no edge markings at all. (Note: We’ll be following this post with a first roll report in the coming weeks.)"

I look forward to reading the results.

Yes, I think it is better to wait for somebody reviewing these films to be sure whether they have mask or not.

 

[Auer]

At twice the $$$ of Portra and Ektar it will mostly be a curious novelty film, at least for me.

But hey, it's more color film (especially in 120) on the market so all good

 

[BobD]

I like the boxes.

 

[AgX]

So there may be a collectors market for such new-brand films.

 

[pentaxuser]

So there may be a collectors market for such new-brand films.

I remain confused. So this is a brand new film made by ? that was commissioned by Silberra and sold exclusively by Silberra?

Thanks

pentaxuser

 

[AgX]

"New-brand" does not mean "new-Film".
Over the years we have seen various films appear that already existed, even in same conversion. Often more expensive, but as the Kosmos case showed, in a nice box...

Mask-less films were marketed already by Maco under the Rollei brand. The film was made by Agfa, but with them cancelling all colour materials that source vanished.
But Kodak as source remained and seemingly is used by Astrum for their conversions.

The only new aspect with the Silberra films seemingly is the type 120 conversion, which had vanished with the Rollei versions.

 

[thuggins]

That comment mentioned the film is maskless which it is something not mentioned anywhere.

If you are referring to the picture in the Kosmofoto article, that appears to be B&W film. It is not a good picture, but none of the frames appear to show any color. I've been waiting for one of the major manufacturers to lose that d@mn orange mask and give us something like the Digibase that could be processed as C-41 or E-6.

 

[MattKing]

I'm not sure how eliminating the dye correcting mask makes anything easier to use.
You are still presented with inverted colours, so it isn't as if it is easy to analyze a colour negative just by viewing it.
And the effect of the mask is easy to eliminate when you scan or otherwise deal with it - just treat it (and the light source) as requiring a 40 CC red filter to eliminate.
It is the inverted colours that make scanning difficult.
The advantage of mask-less negative film would be if you are seeking to make transparencies from them through a process analogous to E6, although E6 film and processing would seem to be a better choice.

 

[pentaxuser]

"New-brand" does not mean "new-Film".
The only new aspect with the Silberra films seemingly is the type 120 conversion, which had vanished with the Rollei versions.

Thanks AgX. I should have read your post correctly instead of reading new-brand as meaning the equivalent of the expression brand-new

pentaxuser

 

[foc]

If you are referring to the picture in the Kosmofoto article, that appears to be B&W film. It is not a good picture, but none of the frames appear to show any color.

On my screen I can see some colour in the non masked negatives. (I don't think it is backlighting/reflection colour). See below. They remind me of the old Agfa CN17 maskless negs.

 

[foc]

I don't want to spoil the arrival of a "new" colour film, I think of a snake-oil salesperson when I hear comments like

"this one is not available under any other brand at mass market."

“It was coated by special order and we hope to have a kind of exclusive rights for it since the next coating"

 

[Wayne]

I don't want to spoil the arrival of a "new" colour film, I think of a snake-oil salesperson when I hear comments like

"this one is not available under any other brand at mass market."

“It was coated by special order and we hope to have a kind of exclusive rights for it since the next coating"

i already did it for you. But I'm happy to hear about it. I hope there are more to come, the more the better. Hopefully ones that can compete with Special K will come around.

 

[laingsoft]

They are not redistributing, but making the Orwo films.

By "They" I was meaning Silberra. Sorry for the confusion.

]Interesting. I would have guessed inoviscoat/filmotec as [Silberra are] already redistributing orwo as their black and white negative.

I don't want to spoil the arrival of a "new" colour film, I think of a snake-oil salesperson when I hear comments like

"this one is not available under any other brand at mass market."

“It was coated by special order and we hope to have a kind of exclusive rights for it since the next coating"

I'm not so sure this is a fair criticism. There is only a few multilayer coating processing lines on the planet, if filmotec/inoviscoat or kodak or fuji or ilford is starting to do contract coating within the realm of a smaller film startup's cost, I can't imagine why that would be a bad thing.

 

[AgX]

I'm not sure how eliminating the dye correcting mask makes anything easier to use.
You are still presented with inverted colours, so it isn't as if it is easy to analyze a colour negative just by viewing it.
And the effect of the mask is easy to eliminate when you scan or otherwise deal with it - just treat it (and the light source) as requiring a 40 CC red filter to eliminate.
It is the inverted colours that make scanning difficult.
The advantage of mask-less negative film would be if you are seeking to make transparencies from them through a process analogous to E6, although E6 film and processing would seem to be a better choice.

The advantage of mask-less CN films had been described within the world of aerial reconnaissance and surveying. Today you may take a different view on this.

 

[laingsoft]

The advantage of mask-less CN films had been described within the world of aerial reconnaissance and surveying. Today you may take a different view on this.

The importance of color rendition isn't really that important for aerial films, is it? It's mostly contrast and saturation they're concerned with I'd think.