New CineStill 120 Medium Format Film Indiegogo Project

[cmacd123]

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I always thought that the remjet was there so you could load reels of movie film in the light. Isn't this the same thing that's been going on since the 70's, it used to be super cheap and when you sent a roll to be processed they would send you back a new roll for free
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--- Some movie film is loaded in the light, rem jet or not. the smaller rolls are provided in metal spools and the loading fogs about 5 to 10 feet of film, and sometimes leaves a but of red-yellow flashing at the side of the image. As had been said, the typical roll of 400ft is provided on a core in a plastic bag and must be loaded into a magazine in the dark, the magazine can then be loaded in the camera in the light and only a few feet of film are fogged.

The cheep film and processing you remember was a way for producers to use up ends of film that were otherwise thrown away. Movie film runs at 90ft a minute so any roll of film with less than 150ft at the end of the shot is often wasted. By gathering this material the labs could load it in cassettes and offer processing by splicing it together and running it though a smaller movie film lab would did not mind the extra business. there are many fewer productions originating on film, and only a few labs left, so that opportunity is no longer viable.

 

[cmacd123]

They also mentioned large format. This could be a way for EK not EK Alaris to sell still film?
Confused as usual, interesting and nice to see. Best Regards Mike

Kodak Alaris is no longer part of Eastman Kodak.

My understanding is the cine still folks plan to order 65mm film and request it be supplied un-perforated. they then can sut to down slightly to fake a 120 size roll. If EK will only supply it perforated, the rolls will be decorated with perforations.

 

[AgX]

They also mentioned large format. This could be a way for EK not EK Alaris to sell still film?

As far as I understand Kodak is out of the still film marketing business by contract with Kodak Alaris.
Maybe they still are allowed to toll-manufacture still-films for others, though this seems unlikely.

CineStill buying cinefilm from Kodak and converting it themselves is something different.

 

[Jeff Bradford]

Does anyone know if the medium format Cinestill is available, yet? Are they sill working in the large format stuff? I liked the little bit of 50D I shot in 35mm.

I have not yet received my 120 rolls of CineStill from the IndieGoGo start-up campaign. Meanwhile, they're still trying to raise more money.

 

[mshchem]

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I always thought that the remjet was there so you could load reels of movie film in the light. Isn't this the same thing that's been going on since the 70's, it used to be super cheap and when you sent a roll to be processed they would send you back a new roll for free

--- Some movie film is loaded in the light, rem jet or not. the smaller rolls are provided in metal spools and the loading fogs about 5 to 10 feet of film, and sometimes leaves a but of red-yellow flashing at the side of the image. As had been said, the typical roll of 400ft is provided on a core in a plastic bag and must be loaded into a magazine in the dark, the magazine can then be loaded in the camera in the light and only a few feet of film are fogged.

The cheep film and processing you remember was a way for producers to use up ends of film that were otherwise thrown away. Movie film runs at 90ft a minute so any roll of film with less than 150ft at the end of the shot is often wasted. By gathering this material the labs could load it in cassettes and offer processing by splicing it together and running it though a smaller movie film lab would did not mind the extra business. there are many fewer productions originating on film, and only a few labs left, so that opportunity is no longer viable.[/QUOTE]
Ahh now this is making sense. The last time I shot movie film was in high school in 1973. I remember I got ahold of a standard 8mm camera, I wound the film back in my darkroom so we could superimpose the titles. Everyone else used a black and white video tape. Of course our film was silent but we got a special award for cinematography
Thanks for the update, Mike

 

[mshchem]

I'm gonna ask another dumb question. If Kodak Vision film has so much dynamic range etc. Can we shoot it and then have someone make a film "print" on Kodak Print film to make a slide?
Best Mike

 

[cmacd123]

I'm gonna ask another dumb question. If Kodak Vision film has so much dynamic range etc. Can we shoot it and then have someone make a film "print" on Kodak Print film to make a slide?
Best Mike

you used to be able to do so, the last firm that I am aware of doing this was Dale Labs In Hollywood Florida. the last slides I got from them the mounts even said "Kodak Vision Film". they stopped around 2008.

There is nothing stopping a movie lab from doing this, except that most of their machines need 20 or more feet of film to run. when the processor runs at over a 100feet a minute, one really wants as few splices as possible, so most will charge a minimum of 100ft for each film presented. the printer also can't change exposure in less than 4 feet in most cases so the entire roll would have to be printed with the same exposure settings (called "Timing" in the movie business for historical reasons)

 

[AgX]

In the long past some firms offered cine camera film converted to type 135 (with some fancy name and not revealing it being a cine film). Processing had to be done at them and you got back slides or prints.

 

[kb3lms]

I'm gonna ask another dumb question. If Kodak Vision film has so much dynamic range etc. Can we shoot it and then have someone make a film "print" on Kodak Print film to make a slide?

You definitely can do that. If fact you could do it yourself if you could find the Print film. I have no idea where to get any. IIRC the process is ECP2 and is similar to ECN2, which is no harder than C-41, just slightly different.

-- Jason

 

[mshchem]

you used to be able to do so, the last firm that I am aware of doing this was Dale Labs In Hollywood Florida. the last slides I got from them the mounts even said "Kodak Vision Film". they stopped around 2008.

There is nothing stopping a movie lab from doing this, except that most of their machines need 20 or more feet of film to run. when the processor runs at over a 100feet a minute, one really wants as few splices as possible, so most will charge a minimum of 100ft for each film presented. the printer also can't change exposure in less than 4 feet in most cases so the entire roll would have to be printed with the same exposure settings (called "Timing" in the movie
Fascinating.

 

[Ektagraphic]

you used to be able to do so, the last firm that I am aware of doing this was Dale Labs In Hollywood Florida. the last slides I got from them the mounts even said "Kodak Vision Film". they stopped around 2008.

I used this service off and on up until the end. It was fun and really pretty interesting to send in a roll of negative and gets slides from it. They had a character of their own. It would have been fun to try with Ektar.

 

[cmacd123]

You definitely can do that. If fact you could do it yourself if you could find the Print film. I have no idea where to get any.

Just call Kodak, but be prepared to really use your credit card. just tell them you want one one roll of
KODAK VISION Color Print Film / 2383 / VCP666 / 35 mm x 2000 ft roll / On Core / KS-1870 CAT 827 4037 My price list is over a year old and it was about 300 dollars back then, the way kodak has increased prices it is probably a bit more.. AND before anyone asks, NO it does not use the REM-Jet Backing.

read all about it at http://motion.kodak.com/KodakGCG/uploadedfiles/motion/2383_ti2397.pdf

 

[MultiFormat Shooter]

I have not yet received my 120 rolls of CineStill from the IndieGoGo start-up campaign. Meanwhile, they're still trying to raise more money.

Thanks for the information. I emailed them awhile back about it and never got a reply. I was hoping that they would have the medium and large format film up-and-running by now. Oh well.

 

[Henning Serger]

Thanks for the information. I emailed them awhile back about it and never got a reply. I was hoping that they would have the medium and large format film up-and-running by now. Oh well.

Hi,

the 120 format film was presented last week at Photokina on the CineStill booth. I've talked to Brian and Brendan Wright there and they explained that the film will be shipped to the backers soon (probably this year). "Normal buyers" will have to wait a bit longer, because of course the backers have absolut priority.

Best regards,
Henning