New Arista Premium 100 and 400 films Made in USA

[sun of sand]

that's pretty sweet if tri-x.
Does freestyle take Paypal? I don't see it listed as accepted.

 

[Dennis S]

No not Paypal cause I tried that but NO GO.

 

[PHOTOTONE]

If Kodak sells film under its own name, then they have to warranty it. If Kodak (or any other brand) private labels film, then the warranty is on the Vendor who sells it.

 

[sun of sand]

No not Paypal cause I tried that but NO GO.

Too bad
I like using Paypal.


If it's tri-x I'll definitely buy some bulk rolls.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

What a tease!

I just recieved the 100ft roll of Arista Premium I ordered last week. I need to unload one of my bulk loaders to make room for it, and then I'll shoot a short roll and see what the edge markings say.

FWIW, rebranding make sense in a lot of cases. A certain number of people are bargain conscious and are never/seldom going to buy your name-brand stuff at full price. By allowing your excess capacity to be sold under another name at a lower price you still bring in some money from those folks. Not as much as if they'd bought your favored brand label, but any profit is better than none. It's a particularly handy arrangement with perishable goods (like film, to some extent) where unsold old stock is otherwise a loss.

We wait with bated breath......

We need to keep in mind it is just possible that the Arista may have no markings or different from Kodak's. The Arista version of Foma has no edge markings at all. Sort of weird, but maybe it save a few shekels per roll.

 

[bcostin]

Well, I shot a roll at a variety of ISO settings and plan to develop it in Diafine tomorrow after work. I figure that'll be a good indicator of if it reacts like Tri-X. I didn't consider that the edge markings might be different. That's a good point. We shall see.

 

[bcostin]

I developed a short roll tonight in Diafine. The edge markings aren't much help, I'm afraid: "ARISTA PREMIUM 400". I've used a couple Arista offerings but this is the first I've seen with the Arista name on the film. The film base itself has a pale purple color.

My test roll included pics at EI 200 - 1600. They all look pretty good to me, which makes me happy. Grain is finer than I expected. I'll post some samples tomorrow. To be honest I have very little experience with Tri-X and what I have shot with it has been high-contrast and harshly lit, so I'll leave those sorts of comparisons to someone better qualified.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

The puzzle deepens....

I developed a short roll tonight in Diafine. The edge markings aren't much help, I'm afraid: "ARISTA PREMIUM 400". I've used a couple Arista offerings but this is the first I've seen with the Arista name on the film. The film base itself has a pale purple color.

My test roll included pics at EI 200 - 1600. They all look pretty good to me, which makes me happy. Grain is finer than I expected. I'll post some samples tomorrow. To be honest I have very little experience with Tri-X and what I have shot with it has been high-contrast and harshly lit, so I'll leave those sorts of comparisons to someone better qualified.

A purple base stock......and then there's that Made in USA statement. I can't imagine Kodak making some new "under the counter" type of film.

 

[2F/2F]

"The film base itself has a pale purple color."

T Max?

 

[usagisakana]

Tri-x (well the tri-x I've shot recently) also has a slight purple tinge to the base..

 

[2F/2F]

"Tri-x (well the tri-x I've shot recently) also has a slight purple tinge to the base.."

I always used to get this on 320 TXP sheet film, but it would come off in the hypo clear. That is a different film than Tri-X 400, however. I never really shot more than a few rolls Tri-X 400 or Plus X (when I first started), as I used FP4 and HP5 instead. I get no tint at all on the Ilford films.

 

[usagisakana]

mm just looking over the last few rolls of tri-x (400TX) I've shot, a few earlier ones that I had washed for less time had the purple tinge, but the more recent ones which I have been washing for longer (after fix) do not have the tint.

Anyhow, I'm hoping this new arista premium is tri-x, in which case when it becomes available in 36exp rolls I will stock up.

 

[MMfoto]

that's pretty sweet if tri-x.
Does freestyle take Paypal? I don't see it listed as accepted.

Just use the Paypal credit card number generator. You can get a one time use card number.

 

[bcostin]

I see Freestyle has added Arista Premium 400 and 100 to their online film developing chart which makes it easier to compare to other films. For all of the developers I've selected on the form, the times for 400 appear to be identical to Tri-X, and the times for 100 are identical to Plus-X.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

I see Freestyle has added Arista Premium 400 and 100 to their online film developing chart which makes it easier to compare to other films. For all of the developers I've selected on the form, the times for 400 appear to be identical to Tri-X, and the times for 100 are identical to Plus-X.

Yes, that's been noted and one of the reasons to hope that we are dealing with Tri-X and Plus-X.

Does Kodak make any alternative B&W's for foreign markets?

Is it Tri-X on a different base to throw off inquiring minds?

I just checked, still only the 400 long rolls in stock. One or two more weeks, I guess, until the 100. Or is it 125????

 

[Paul Howell]

Yes, that's been noted and one of the reasons to hope that we are dealing with Tri-X and Plus-X.

Does Kodak make any alternative B&W's for foreign markets?

Is it Tri-X on a different base to throw off inquiring minds?

It may be made for Freestyle specificaions as the edge marking are also Freestyle's brand, at that point Kodak is not relabeling, rather contacting to order. I was told years ago that Kodak will make any film if the order is large enough.

 

[ssloansjca]

old tmax 400, maybe?

 

[Paul Howell]

old tmax 400, maybe?

Maybe, old Tmax and Tri X have the same developments times in stock D76, new Tmax 400 is different, may also expain the 2 speeds that will be offered 400 and 100, all Tmax.

 

[Paul Verizzo]

Maybe, old Tmax and Tri X have the same developments times in stock D76, new Tmax 400 is different, may also expain the 2 speeds that will be offered 400 and 100, all Tmax.

Highly unlikely.

Development times are different, Arista Premium to the Max's. The whole shooting and developing and printing experience is different from conventional grained films. FS doesn't mention it being T-grain, custom grain, designer grain, or any other euphamism for tabular or similar grains. The magenta stain would be a dead give away, and that's different from the purple base reported here today.

No way.

 

[Paul Howell]

Highly unlikely.

Development times are different, Arista Premium to the Max's. The whole shooting and developing and printing experience is different from conventional grained films. FS doesn't mention it being T-grain, custom grain, designer grain, or any other euphamism for tabular or similar grains. The magenta stain would be a dead give away, and that's different from the purple base reported here today.

No way.

Your right,

D 76

AP 6.75
TrX 8.0
old TMax 8.0
new TMax 7.5

I am leaning towards a film that Freestyle contacted to have made. I found the AP development times, but what about fix, T grain times or tradtional?

 

[sun of sand]

Doesn't it have to be either Tri-X or T-max? Who else is there besides Kodak in the US? Ilford made that 400 speed "generic" film to be sold in Europe ..and it was a nice-looking film from what I've seen. Does kodak do that
Is Freestyle in the business of ordering films or do they take what is offered? I don't think Freestyle states the exact same development times as the supplier of the films

Doesn't old t-max 400 have some UV blocking coating in it that makes it hard -longer- to print alternative
Could you do a simple printing using those methods



Forgot about the Paypal 1x use number thing they offer. Thanks
I have been wanting to visit sunny SC, though.

 

[fschifano]

AFIK, it's only avaiable in 35mm stocks anyway, so UV blockage isn't an issue. In fact it can be a good thing for silver printers. Thinking of using alternative printing processes (PT/ PD, cyanotype, etc. contact prints only) with 35mm negatives?

 

[sun of sand]

no, just thinking out loud. ha

I figured the grain would be enough to tell tri apart from max

 

[Paul Verizzo]

"Is Freestyle in the business of ordering films or do they take what is offered? I don't think Freestyle states the exact same development times as the supplier of the films."

Freestyle is a sales powerhouse in the US....and probalby most of the world. I could see them going to Kodak, or Kodak approaching them, for a mutually profitable business deal. For Kodak, keeping the plants humming. Maybe use a coating that they almost marketed but then never did. Just get out the research logs, there they are. Help prevent Fuji and Ilford taking a larger market share, even if the Kodak name isn't involved. For FS, a top notch product that appeals to those who want to buy Kodak or American (count me in on both), a product that isn't the by now boring Ilford/Foma/Fuji/Kodak offerings. (The folks who want Kodak for sure will buy the yellow box, regardless.)

 

[Paul Verizzo]

100 ISO now available in rolls, 400 also. No 100 in long rolls yet.

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/sc_newitems.php