New Arista Premium 100 & 400 films

Hydrangeas from the garden

A
Hydrangeas from the garden

  • 2
  • 2
  • 86
Field #6

D
Field #6

  • 7
  • 1
  • 87
Hosta

A
Hosta

  • 16
  • 10
  • 184
Water Orchids

A
Water Orchids

  • 5
  • 1
  • 106

Recent Classifieds

Forum statistics

Threads
197,936
Messages
2,767,080
Members
99,509
Latest member
Paul777
Recent bookmarks
0

dxphoto

Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2005
Messages
196
Format
35mm
Kodak used to sell 100' at 29.99 at B&H and Adorama. That film was Trix made in USA for international market. The USA made for USA was selling at $44.99. a few years ago they stopped selling them and that was the time I started to try foma and forte. I don't know if the Aristra premium 400 film is indeed a left over stock? or kodak decided to re-label that intentional version.
freestyle has marked the 36exp roll quite low -- at 1.99. the 100' can make about 18 36-exp rolls -- that brings each roll = 1.67.
 

erikg

Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
1,444
Location
pawtucket rh
Format
Multi Format
Only color negative.

Right, and if this was movie stock we could tell by the sprocket holes, rounded ends vs. square. Sounds to me like Kodak has some excess inventory and they want to move it before it just becomes waste. (wouldn't it be great to get some of that to play with?) So this deal may not last too long. Nice to have a lower price option though.
 
OP
OP

Paul Verizzo

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
1,643
Location
Round Rock, TX
Format
35mm
Right, and if this was movie stock we could tell by the sprocket holes, rounded ends vs. square. Sounds to me like Kodak has some excess inventory and they want to move it before it just becomes waste. (wouldn't it be great to get some of that to play with?) So this deal may not last too long. Nice to have a lower price option though.

There is no way that a smart company like Freestyle would ramp up a whole new film line for a limited overstock. Would you?
 
OP
OP

Paul Verizzo

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
1,643
Location
Round Rock, TX
Format
35mm
Kodak used to sell 100' at 29.99 at B&H and Adorama. That film was Trix made in USA for international market. The USA made for USA was selling at $44.99. a few years ago they stopped selling them and that was the time I started to try foma and forte. I don't know if the Aristra premium 400 film is indeed a left over stock? or kodak decided to re-label that intentional version.
freestyle has marked the 36exp roll quite low -- at 1.99. the 100' can make about 18 36-exp rolls -- that brings each roll = 1.67.

B&H and other NY vendors have long re-imported Kodak films as gray market. I don't know enough about the market system, but my take is that film is cheaper in some markets and despite flying it two ways, it still is cheaper to import back.

I think it's not unlike pharmaceuticals; the manufacturers will charge what the market will bear. My father takes aracept for his Alzheimer's. No generic is available here. We pay about $60 for 90 days, but the $600 cost counts against his Medicare Part D. Screw that, we just ordered 90 days generic from Canada for $82, no Part D hit.

Sorry for the rant.
 

ssloansjca

Member
Joined
Oct 20, 2005
Messages
120
Location
San Jose, CA
Format
35mm
The Arista 400 I got had an expiration date of Feb 2011, so it appears to be very Fresh stock, not left over.

~Steve Sloan
 

erikg

Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
1,444
Location
pawtucket rh
Format
Multi Format
I was speculating that this may be excess stock, not left over, given the current demand for film vs. the volume of material Kodak has to produce in order to keep their lines running as they like. Someone else said just as much in the previous thread. My fault if I wasn't clear. This could be a very large amount of film, enough to keep Freestyle customers well stocked for some time to come. Kodak may be out of the film business all together long before the stock runs out, look how much APX 400 is still around with (somewhat suspicious) expiration dates still safely in the future. I wonder what this means for Kodak's plans, maybe it is a smart adjustment to a changing market, hard to say. Ilford did this with FS for years and then new management determined that the practice was just cannibalizing their own market. Forte did this too, and look where they are.
 

John Shriver

Member
Joined
Sep 8, 2006
Messages
482
Format
35mm RF
Grey market Kodak film has faded away for two reasons.

The first is that Kodak was making it hard for the grey market importers, threatening to cut off their domestic supplies, which the sellers could not afford to have happen. (Professionals don't buy grey market film, too much is on the line for them.) Also, they have done more branding games, selling the same film under different brand names in different countries.

The second, and now more important, is exchange rates. The dollar is feeble, the Euro and Pound are strong. Kodak used to sell films at higher margins in the US, and at lower margins in countries with weak currencies, since that was all the market could bear. So folks would import the film from the weak currency countries back to the US. Well, now it's the other way around. Many manufacturers now have to accept low margins in the US, and profit from high margins in the strong European economy. The grey market has turned around. Been shopping downtown in any major east coast US city recently? You'll see a lot of Euro-tourists taking advantage of the fantastic deals that they can get in the US. (OK, so they are also dodging their 17-20% VAT taxes. But that's only part of it now.) I work next door to the Cambridgeside Galleria, the closest shopping mall to downtown Boston, which is on public transit, and I've seen and heard lots of Europeans there all summer. There was also a burst of them shopping here last December.

While oil, and all the other raw materials Kodak uses, may nominally be priced in dollars, in reality they are priced in terms of buying power. As the buying power of the US Dollar continues to drop, the prices of these raw ingredients in US Dollars keeps surging. Silver was $9 at the start of 2006, it's now just shy of $18. The US Dollar will continue to drop until we stop borrowing so much money, which everyone knows will be paid back in much inflated dollars.
 
OP
OP

Paul Verizzo

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
1,643
Location
Round Rock, TX
Format
35mm
John, thanks for that enlightening (and logical) explanation for what's been going on.

I think the average American hasn't a clue how the free falling dollar has impacted them. They see the high prices at the gas pumps, yet can't put two and two together. Oil is paid for in dollars, the dollar is almost worthless, ergo, a lot of dollars to pay for that imported oil.
 

Paul Howell

Subscriber
Joined
Dec 23, 2004
Messages
9,560
Location
Scottsdale Az
Format
Multi Format
When are the film edge marking added to a film run, during the coating or post production? I have seen rebranded color film with Fuji or Konica edge lables and other with none or the rebrand such as Memo or Samsumg. If film is edged marked during the coating then this run is not just simply an overrun being sold off.
 
OP
OP

Paul Verizzo

Member
Joined
Jan 20, 2008
Messages
1,643
Location
Round Rock, TX
Format
35mm
100 speed 24 & 36 carts now in stock!

Who will be the guinea pig?

I just blew my Freestyle budget a couple of weeks ago.
 

2F/2F

Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2008
Messages
8,031
Location
Los Angeles,
Format
Multi Format
I will be the Guinea pig. I just need to get paid first. :D This means that someone else will probably beat me to it.

I will compare and contrast zone I speed, color response, and resolution.

I don't think I will be getting my MacBeth chart back any time soon, so I will probably just shoot a row of colored markers.

Samy's and Freestyle claim they do not have MacBeth charts. I can find them bundled with scanner calibration tools, but not loose. Does anyone know where I can buy the chart alone?
 

2F/2F

Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2008
Messages
8,031
Location
Los Angeles,
Format
Multi Format

erikg

Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
1,444
Location
pawtucket rh
Format
Multi Format
Yeah, those things are crazy expensive. The "mini" size is even more. For the testing you are doing you don't really need it, spend the cash on more film. I forgot about the name change, I think there was a merger or something.

Looking forward to getting your postcard. Those cards are pretty much the only good reason for checking the mail these days.
 

erikg

Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2003
Messages
1,444
Location
pawtucket rh
Format
Multi Format
When are the film edge marking added to a film run, during the coating or post production? I have seen rebranded color film with Fuji or Konica edge lables and other with none or the rebrand such as Memo or Samsumg. If film is edged marked during the coating then this run is not just simply an overrun being sold off.

I think that stuff goes on, or is burned on, at the end, when the film is slit from the master rolls and finished. I remember when Freestyle was selling Ilford stuff as "England's Finest" it didn't have any Ilford markings but it was in every way the same as FP-4. At the time Freestyle wasn't saying it was Ilford either. Man, did I shoot a boat load of that stuff in 120. Great price in bulk. Me and a buddy would get a 100 rolls or more at a time to get the quantity discount. Them were the days.
 

Paul Howell

Subscriber
Joined
Dec 23, 2004
Messages
9,560
Location
Scottsdale Az
Format
Multi Format
I think that stuff goes on, or is burned on, at the end, when the film is slit from the master rolls and finished. I remember when Freestyle was selling Ilford stuff as "England's Finest" it didn't have any Ilford markings but it was in every way the same as FP-4. At the time Freestyle wasn't saying it was Ilford either. Man, did I shoot a boat load of that stuff in 120. Great price in bulk. Me and a buddy would get a 100 rolls or more at a time to get the quantity discount. Them were the days.

So it may overstock that was sitting in master rolls rather than manufacoted to Freestyle Specs.
 

srs5694

Member
Joined
May 18, 2005
Messages
2,718
Location
Woonsocket,
Format
35mm
I distinctly recall a description I read here (I think posted by PE) about how Kodak uses an infrared scanning system to detect defects in master rolls. The defect locations are fed into a piece of software that then computes the optimum way to cut the master roll to produce rolls of desired formats and lengths with minimal waste -- say, x 24-exposure rolls, y 36-exposure rolls, z 100-foot rolls, and a certain amount lost to the coating defects. Obviously this won't work if the master roll has edge markings already printed on it. The edge markings could conceivably be done either before or after slitting, but it would have to be done after defect detection.
 

Tim Gray

Member
Joined
Sep 2, 2006
Messages
1,882
Location
OH
Format
35mm
Photo Engineer made a comment about scanning of IR films in a thread I started (I think) about HIE and anti-halation dyes.
 

mgb74

Subscriber
Joined
Jan 24, 2005
Messages
4,769
Location
MN and MA US
Format
Multi Format
I don't know if this film is Kodak or not, much less whether its PlusX and TriX. I'm very interested to see what the test results are.

But I have to doubt that Freestyle would devote the name "Arista Premium" to an emulsion that was simply overstock. I would expect that they anticipate a reasonably long term supply.
 

2F/2F

Member
Joined
Apr 29, 2008
Messages
8,031
Location
Los Angeles,
Format
Multi Format
Well, when do we get Arista Super-Dooper?
 

Dennis S

Subscriber
Joined
Mar 16, 2008
Messages
1,760
Location
Vancouver B.C.
Format
Multi Format
Maybe that Freestyle has been watching APUG posts for the last 5 yrs ( If APUG was alive 5yrs ago) and decided to make a film that will make EVERYONE happy. A film for all conditions and speed that we need as well as a film that you just need water to develop. ...... then I woke up !!
 
Photrio.com contains affiliate links to products. We may receive a commission for purchases made through these links.
To read our full affiliate disclosure statement please click Here.

PHOTRIO PARTNERS EQUALLY FUNDING OUR COMMUNITY:



Ilford ADOX Freestyle Photographic Stearman Press Weldon Color Lab Blue Moon Camera & Machine
Top Bottom