New Agfa 400 speed film? Also: ORWO NPC 200, OptiColour 200

[brbo]

Lomo

I have no idea what this 'Lomo 92' is, but does it exist in 120?

Yes, LomoChrome Color '92 is available in 135, 120... and 110!

In fact there are two versions, vanilla '92 and '92 Sun-kissed. I've only shot a couple of rolls of the original '92 in 135 and 110. I have the Sun-kissed roll waiting, but not much time and not much to shoot. '92 works better for me than Opticolour 200, wet prints are not great, but better than Opticolour 200. '92 scans fine, but this film is quite grainy.

135:




110

 

[albireo]

Lomo


Yes, LomoChrome Color '92 is available in 135, 120... and 110!

In fact there are two versions, vanilla '92 and '92 Sun-kissed. I've only shot a couple of rolls of the original '92 in 135 and 110. I have the Sun-kissed roll waiting, but not much time and not much to shoot. '92 works better for me than Opticolour 200, wet prints are not great, but better than Opticolour 200. '92 scans fine, but this film is quite grainy.

135:




110

Ok thanks brbo. These all look good to me but puuh...This is so all confusing. I think I'll just go back to Ultramax 400 in 35mm and Gold in 120 and call it a day.

 

[MCB18]

Finally decided to look into this film because I heard a couple people saying that they just got their orders, and… yeah TBH it’s exactly what I expected from ORWO. It looks just as weird and desaturated as normal ORWO. Also a bit disappointing that the 120 is finished by Foma, so the backing paper might completely ruin the film over time…

 

[Lachlan Young]

'92 works better for me than Opticolour 200, wet prints are not great, but better than Opticolour 200. '92 scans fine, but this film is quite grainy.

I do wonder if some of their production compromises regarding the mask are predicated on assumptions about end users scanning (or possibly cinema end users) and that the weaker (and probably cheaper) mask is based off some of the ideas that were posited by Kodak 7299 Scan Film from 20 years ago.

 

[brbo]

Adox is teasing a "fresh batch" of colour film on Instagram...

This Orwo 200 thing must have been a "group buy" and everybody and their dog will be selling the same stuff?

 

[albireo]

Adox is teasing a "fresh batch" of colour film on Instagram...

This Orwo 200 thing must have been a "group buy" and everybody and their dog will be selling the same stuff?

Sorry for being so blunt but Adox won't see another Euro of my money unless they come up with a film that is distributed and ready to buy on fotoimpex or macodirect for at least 10 years without interruptions.

I'm tired of investing time and money on a product only for it to disappear just when I thought I had understood it.

 

[MCB18]

Sorry for being so blunt but Adox won't see another Euro of my money unless they come up with a film that is distributed and ready to buy on fotoimpex or macodirect for at least 10 years without interruptions.

I'm tired of investing time and money on a product only for it to disappear just when I thought I had understood it.

It’s been well established that Mission was always just a few cold stored 35mm pancakes. Honestly I’m surprised it’s lasted this long.

Maybe Adox will eventually coat something besides that one AgCl paper… but I have my doubts…

 

[retina_restoration]

Sorry for being so blunt but Adox won't see another Euro of my money unless they come up with a film that is distributed and ready to buy on fotoimpex or macodirect for at least 10 years without interruptions.

I'm tired of investing time and money on a product only for it to disappear just when I thought I had understood it.

Precisely why I will not buy Bergger Pancro 400 sheet films ever again, even if they do reappear in the marketplace. (The sheet film sizes have been MIA since 2019)

Unfortunately I am starting to feel the same way about Adox films. The sheet sizes of CHS 100 II have been gone for several years now, up until a year ago, you'd occasionally see someone offering 4x5 or 5x7 boxes, but it's been a year or more since that happened. I'm becoming less and less likely to buy it as the months (years?) pass without it being available. Fomapan looks more and more attractive all the time.

Now, I realize that the pandemic and other production issues have made it difficult for some of these manufacturers to maintain their production facilities. However, the lack of information coming from them about some of their products isn't exactly encouraging. I have likely emailed Bergger six or seven times in the last 3 years, asking about sheet film sizes of Pancro 400 and not once have I had a response. After being missing for FIVE years, I'm pretty much assuming this product is never coming back. I sure hope that's not going to be the fate of CHS 100 II.

Oh, and I read two relatively recent (2025) blog posts that stated that CMS 20 II is now a "discontinued" product as well. Anyone happen to have any factual evidence that this is true?
EDIT: nevermind, I found the Adox post from 2024 that states that they are no longer manufacturing it.

I also found a post from Adox on April 8, 2024 stating: "Yes, HR-50 is planned in 120." It certainly hasn't happened yet — anyone have any information about HR-50 coming to market in 120 format?

 

[MCB18]

Oh, and I read two relatively recent (2025) blog posts that stated that CMS 20 II is now a "discontinued" product as well. Anyone happen to have any factual evidence that this is true?
EDIT: nevermind, I found the Adox post from 2024 that states that they are no longer manufacturing it.

Yes, Agfa stopped coating Microfilm when EPM went under, and Adox is in no position to meet the MOQ if Agfa even has the rights to coat it.

I also found a post from Adox on April 8, 2024 stating: "Yes, HR-50 is planned in 120." It certainly hasn't happened yet — anyone have any information about HR-50 coming to market in 120 format?

Just buy Rollei 80S and hope Foma didn’t have a bad batch of paper. They’re both Agfa Aviphot 80, and although Adox insists that they did something to it to make it “special”, based on H&D curves it’s literally just a repacked film with dev instructions to pull it about 1/3 stop from box speed (about ISO 64).

 

[retina_restoration]

Just buy Rollei 80S and hope Foma didn’t have a bad batch of paper. They’re both Agfa Aviphot 80, and although Adox insists that they did something to it to make it “special”, based on H&D curves it’s literally just a repacked film with dev instructions to pull it about 1/3 stop from box speed (about ISO 64).

Oh, I see. Yeah, not gonna buy Rollei Retro 80S after seeing recent results folks have posted. Even Blue Moon lists it as “an experimental film” and likely to have problems. I’ll pass. And thanks for the warning.

 

[MCB18]

Oh, I see. Yeah, not gonna buy Rollei Retro 80S after seeing recent results folks have posted. Even Blue Moon lists it as “an experimental film” and likely to have problems. I’ll pass. And thanks for the warning.

I might be able to make you some 120 rolls of FN-64 (Aviphot 80 sold by Astrum) if I have an extra bulk roll lying around, but failing that I do also have some extra Foto-100 rolls, which is Aviphot 200, and also makes very good slides according to folks on here.

And yeah, Foma’s 120 is shit sometimes… I tried to compare FN-64 and 80S to prove they are the same film a while back, but the test was unusable due to massive mottling of the 80S and there was a light leak along most of one edge of the film because I guess the paper wasn’t even cut to the right size…

 

[albireo]

Oh, I see. Yeah, not gonna buy Rollei Retro 80S after seeing recent results folks have posted. Even Blue Moon lists it as “an experimental film” and likely to have problems. I’ll pass.

If it helps, I have used tons of Rollei Retro 400S (which is, based on what I've learnt on here Aviphot 200, I believe). I have experience with it mostly in 120.

It's been rock solid. Really wonderful stuff. Zero issues, fantastic QC and the only problems I've had were caused by me: I let a couple of rolls expire and got mild backing paper mottling a la Ilford.

However, - it is a special purpose film for me. Firstly, I need to shoot it at 125 to get the results I'm after. More importantly, it has a strongly red-extended spectral response, so it sucks (for my taste) for portraits of white Caucasian people: ghostly pale skin and cadaverous lips.

Excellent for architecture and street photography though. Monstrously sharp. Tech sheet development times are completely off.

Sadly Macodirect recently jacked its price up by about 40%.

EDIT - just saying this because I don't imagine the retro 80s you're interested in to be vastly different from the 400S I have experience with.

 

[retina_restoration]

If it helps, I have used tons of Rollei Retro 400S (which is, based on what I've learnt on here Aviphot 200, I believe). I have experience with it mostly in 120.

It's been rock solid. Really wonderful stuff. Zero issues, fantastic QC and the only problems I've had were caused by me: I let a couple of rolls expire and got mild backing paper mottling a la Ilford.

However, - it is a special purpose film for me. Firstly, I need to shoot it at 125 to get the results I'm after. More importantly, it has a strongly red-extended spectral response, so it sucks (for my taste) for portraits of white Caucasian people: ghostly pale skin and cadaverous lips.

Excellent for architecture and street photography though. Monstrously sharp. Tech sheet development times are completely off.

Sadly Macodirect recently jacked its price up by about 40%.

EDIT - just saying this because I don't imagine the retro 80s you're interested in to be vastly different from the 400S I have experience with.

From another thread listing all of the various repackagings of the Aviphot flavors:

Agfa Aviphot Pan 200:
Repackaged as Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan.

So Retro 400S and Infrared 400 are the same film, just packaged/promoted as being unique. I'm very familiar with the Rollei Infrared 400, so there's no reason to adopt the Retro 400S, but thanks. My goal was to find a slower/less grainy film I could use an R72 filter with, and the 80S had potential.

 

[Lachlan Young]

From another thread listing all of the various repackagings of the Aviphot flavors:

Agfa Aviphot Pan 200:
Repackaged as Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400s, Rollei Infrared 400, Silberra Pan 160 / Ultima 160, Silberra Pan 100 / Ultima 100, CatLabs 320 Pro and JCH Street Pan.

So Retro 400S and Infrared 400 are the same film, just packaged/promoted as being unique. I'm very familiar with the Rollei Infrared 400, so there's no reason to adopt the Retro 400S, but thanks. My goal was to find a slower/less grainy film I could use an R72 filter with, and the 80S had potential.

My understanding is that at least some of the different names represent who is doing the slitting/ packaging step for Maco - e.g. the Infrared packing is done by Harman, one of the others by Foma etc. The Harman packing of the 80s is the Rollei Pan 25. The 80, 200 etc speeds relate to Effective Aerial Film Speed (which involves quite a high aim contrast index), not ISO speed at sea level - they do have quite beneficial characteristics for reversal, even if noticeably grainier etc than an equivalent speed neg/ pos print.

 

[brbo]

Don't you guys have a thread dedicated to the all-things-aviphot?

 

[Disconnekt]

The channel Pushing Film did a "first impressions" video on Opticolor 200 (35mm & 120):

 

[brbo]

Compared Opticolor 200 (the production version with antihalation layer) and LomoChrome Classicolor 200.

Same film. No surprise really, but I did hope that Lomo would still have little something that others did not (like with their other Inoviscoat films). Oh, well... I guess it will be one emulsion that will be available to everyone and improved gradually from now on.

Top: LomoChrome Classicolor 200
Middle: Oldschool Opticolor 200
Bottom: Lucky Color 200