New: ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO

[Team ADOX]

ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO is available now:
It saves 50% of the washwater and has no environmentally bad impact.

It is available at the Fotoimpex global online store for our international customers:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/chemistry...Q5_pEBmQXCbymhZfArGfCsfkC2n4K2rlxv6sjOxh9BieI

ADOX - Innovation In Analog Photography.

 

[ozphoto]

I really want to use your products, but I'm having problems finding an Australian store who offers them (not sure if your AUS distributor is simply limiting what they import).

One store has a limited stock list and doesn't appear to want to add to this, pushing me towards Kodak and Ilford instead. This is frustrating as I *love* the products, but my options to purchase from overseas is limited due to toxicity etc.

Are you able to provide a list of Australian suppliers who actually sell Adox products?

 

[Peter Schrager]

What makes this any better than my heico perma wash??

 

[Team ADOX]

Are you able to provide a list of Australian suppliers who actually sell Adox products?

Dear Nanette,
Vanbar
http://vanbarphoto.com.au/
is offering several of our products in Australia.
And our parent company Fotoimpex is shipping worldwide, including Australia:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/
https://www.fotoimpex.com/shipping-charges.html

 

[Kino]

ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO is available now:
It saves 50% of the washwater and has no environmentally bad impact.

It is available at the Fotoimpex global online store for our international customers:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/chemistry...Q5_pEBmQXCbymhZfArGfCsfkC2n4K2rlxv6sjOxh9BieI

ADOX - Innovation In Analog Photography.

Very good!

Continuing to address reducing water use and minimizing environmental impact for photographers is and will be an ongoing issue in our hobby/profession.

A salute to ADOX for making this product available!

 

[ozphoto]

Dear Nanette,
Vanbar
http://vanbarphoto.com.au/
is offering several of our products in Australia.
And our parent company Fotoimpex is shipping worldwide, including Australia:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/
https://www.fotoimpex.com/shipping-charges.html

Thanks for the information - I've had a look at Vanbar and will be ordering a couple of your products; pity they don't stock more.

 

[JPD]

What makes this any better than my heico perma wash??

Almost every manufacturers of photo chemicals make similar products and they don't publish the exact formulas they use, so it's difficult to tell if one is better than another. ADOX guarantees already in the name that their product is eco-friendly, and maybe the Heico product is too if they don't declare any dangerous chemicals on the bottles. There are also formulas for mixing your own hypo clear if you want to. The store bought ones usually include some kind of buffers to compensate for the water pH and hardness.

 

[markbau]

Almost every manufacturers of photo chemicals make similar products and they don't publish the exact formulas they use, so it's difficult to tell if one is better than another. ADOX guarantees already in the name that their product is eco-friendly, and maybe the Heico product is too if they don't declare any dangerous chemicals on the bottles. There are also formulas for mixing your own hypo clear if you want to. The store bought ones usually include some kind of buffers to compensate for the water pH and hardness.

Water 750ml
Sodium sulfite 200g
WTM 1000ml
Dilute 1:9 for use.

Is all the hypo clear you need!

 

[Sebastian Bille]

Dear Team Adox,

I couldn't find any information on the ingredients of ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO. Therefore my question: Can it be used as a stop-bath for polysulfid toners and would that require to adjust the dilution?

Thanks and best regards

Sebastian

 

[JPD]

I couldn't find any information on the ingredients of ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO. Therefore my question: Can it be used as a stop-bath for polysulfid toners and would that require to adjust the dilution?

If they haven't thought of this particular use, the question could also be is Thio-Clear Eco based on sulfite or carbonate? I'm curious as well.

Welcome to Photrio, Sebastian!

 

[mohmad khatab]

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This is the first time in history that I hear that there is a solution dedicated to showering films.
My limited mind is unable to comprehend the story.

I prepare chemistry from scratch.
I swear to you, if you analyze my bath water, you will find it more harmful to the environment than the poor film development.

 

[Sebastian Bille]

If they haven't thought of this particular use, the question could also be is Thio-Clear Eco based on sulfite or carbonate? I'm curious as well.

Welcome to Photrio, Sebastian!

Thank you for welcoming me I assume that it is, but I think I'd better ask.

[QUOTE = "Andrew O'Neill ، post: 2452647 ، عضو: 1310"] :يضحك:[/ QUOTE]
:د
This is the first time in history that I hear that there is a solution dedicated to showering films.
My limited mind is unable to comprehend the story.

I prepare chemistry from scratch.
I swear to you, if you analyze my bath water, you will find it more harmful to the environment than the poor film development.

The world would probably seem less miraculous to you if you read through the product description.

-Sebastian

 

[baachitraka]

100g Sodium Sulfite in 1l water is a good hypo but I will buy from Adox/Fotoimpex.

 

[Cerebum]

@Team ADOX
I need some fixer and am looking at this product. I can be hard of thinking but could you clarify something.

Is this a fix or a final wash?
It says the working dilution is 1:19 and once mixed can be used for up to two months, so, for example, I use a small steel tank, if I mix 240ml I can reuse that mixture?
How long does the actual concentrate last?

If this is all the case and it has a long shelf life I may never need to buy another bottle again I do love Adox stuff. The FX-39 is brilliant with fomapan200

 

[koraks]

Is this a fix or a final wash?

Technically, it's neither!

It's not a fixer. It's a washing aid (not a final wash!) that helps to wash out the fixer from the paper. Consequently, after treatment with this product, paper or film should be washed depending on the regular requirements of the material.

 

[Cerebum]

Technically, it's neither!

It's not a fixer. It's a washing aid (not a final wash!) that helps to wash out the fixer from the paper. Consequently, after treatment with this product, paper or film should be washed depending on the regular requirements of the material.

That's a shame I thought I had stumbled across a wonder product. Back to my trusty Adofix it is then thanks

 

[Philippe-Georges]

Water 750ml
Sodium sulfite 200g
WTM 1000ml
Dilute 1:9 for use.

Is all the hypo clear you need!

That's the same as the 2% I use (20g/1l), but just out of curiousity what's the capacity you use?

 

[mshchem]

You need hypo clearing agent with fiber base papers. HCA also helps to get the purple out of T- grain films. If you are using RC (PE) papers and conventional films probably not something you need.

 

[Nitroplait]

ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO is available now:
It saves 50% of the washwater and has no environmentally bad impact.

It is available at the Fotoimpex global online store for our international customers:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/chemistry...Q5_pEBmQXCbymhZfArGfCsfkC2n4K2rlxv6sjOxh9BieI

Interesting product - thanks for sharing. A few questions:

On the linked Fotoimpex page I read:
"ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO accelerates and ensures proper elimination of sodium/ammonium thiosulfate (fixer) from the gelatine layer of your films and prints. After a two-minute 1+19 THIO-CLEAR ECO bath, washing times are reduced by 50%."

I am unsure how it translates into actual recommendations.

I use Ilford Reduced Water recommendations:

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Reducing-Wash-Water.pdf

In that context how will the use of ADOX Thio-Clear Eco benefit my process for washing in the 3 scenarios below?:

Film: It is hard for me to imagine any reduction of Ilford's 3 recommended rinses? - or can I have any water reduction benefit from Thio-Clear in this context?

RC paper: If using Thio-Clear, can I reduce RC paper rinse by 50% from the minimum 30sec to a minimum of 15sec of "washing in vigorous fresh running water" as Ilford recommends?
Is that correct?

And most importantly for my usage:

FB paper: Thio-Clear (1+19) 2 min. replaces Ilford WashAid (1+4) 10 min. - otherwise the the Ilford recommendations remains the same (5 min fresh running water before and after)?
Is that correctly understood?

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[mshchem]

Naked Photographer, best washing test, best instructor on YouTube

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Interesting product - thanks for sharing. A few questions:

On the linked Fotoimpex page I read:
"ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO accelerates and ensures proper elimination of sodium/ammonium thiosulfate (fixer) from the gelatine layer of your films and prints. After a two-minute 1+19 THIO-CLEAR ECO bath, washing times are reduced by 50%."

I am unsure how it translates into actual recommendations.

I use Ilford Reduced Water recommendations:

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Reducing-Wash-Water.pdf

In that context how will the use of ADOX Thio-Clear Eco benefit my process for washing in the 3 scenarios below?:

Film: It is hard for me to imagine any reduction of Ilford's 3 recommended rinses? - or can I have any water reduction benefit from Thio-Clear in this context?

RC paper: If using Thio-Clear, can I reduce RC paper rinse by 50% from the minimum 30sec to a minimum of 15sec of "washing in vigorous fresh running water" as Ilford recommends?
Is that correct?

And most importantly for my usage:

FB paper: Thio-Clear (1+19) 2 min. replaces Ilford WashAid (1+4) 10 min. - otherwise the the Ilford recommendations remains the same (5 min fresh running water before and after)?
Is that correctly understood?

Thanks for clarifying.

We are unfamiliar with Ilford recomendations and do not feel comfortable to comment on these. What THIO CLEAR does is it accellerates the transition of fixer through the gelatine. So any wash is simply accelerated and happens faster. This is ofcourse especially helpfull with fibre papers and conventional washing methods where you wash under running water.

 

[JPD]

RC paper: If using Thio-Clear, can I reduce RC paper rinse by 50% from the minimum 30sec to a minimum of 15sec of "washing in vigorous fresh running water" as Ilford recommends?
Is that correct?

I highly doubt that the minimum of a 30 seconds rinse is sufficient for RC paper, even if HCA or Thio-Clear was used. Some recommend 2 minutes, but I've had RC prints going yellow some time later after a 2 minute rinse.

If they are RC prints I want to keep, I tone them in Selenium, quick rinse, Hypo clear bath and at least a five minute rinse. If I don't tone the prints I use a silver stabiliser like Sistan or Adostab after the final rinse. None of those prints have gone yellow.

 

[Nitroplait]

I highly doubt that the minimum of a 30 seconds rinse is sufficient for RC paper, even if HCA or Thio-Clear was used. Some recommend 2 minutes, but I've had RC prints going yellow some time later after a 2 minute rinse.

If they are RC prints I want to keep, I tone them in Selenium, quick rinse, Hypo clear bath and at least a five minute rinse. If I don't tone the prints I use a silver stabiliser like Sistan or Adostab after the final rinse. None of those prints have gone yellow.

By all means, do what works for you.
I follow manufacture recommendations unless I have personal experiences that tells me otherwise. I have used Ilford's reduced water recommendation since 2018 without problem.

 

[mshchem]

We are unfamiliar with Ilford recomendations and do not feel comfortable to comment on these. What THIO CLEAR does is it accellerates the transition of fixer through the gelatine. So any wash is simply accelerated and happens faster. This is ofcourse especially helpfull with fibre papers and conventional washing methods where you wash under running water.

This is a very good recommendation. One other comment I have. If people are using a fixer with a hardener a wash aid is a good idea.
I use a hardener with my fiber prints. I use a big Pako dryer and hardener dramatically prevents sticking. When using a hardener these wash aids dramatically reduce wash times and water use.