New: ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO

ozphoto said:

Are you able to provide a list of Australian suppliers who actually sell Adox products?

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Team ADOX said:

ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO is available now:
It saves 50% of the washwater and has no environmentally bad impact.

It is available at the Fotoimpex global online store for our international customers:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/chemistry...Q5_pEBmQXCbymhZfArGfCsfkC2n4K2rlxv6sjOxh9BieI

ADOX - Innovation In Analog Photography.

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Team ADOX said:

Dear Nanette,
Vanbar
http://vanbarphoto.com.au/
is offering several of our products in Australia.
And our parent company Fotoimpex is shipping worldwide, including Australia:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/
https://www.fotoimpex.com/shipping-charges.html

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Peter Schrager said:

What makes this any better than my heico perma wash??

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JPD said:

Almost every manufacturers of photo chemicals make similar products and they don't publish the exact formulas they use, so it's difficult to tell if one is better than another. ADOX guarantees already in the name that their product is eco-friendly, and maybe the Heico product is too if they don't declare any dangerous chemicals on the bottles. There are also formulas for mixing your own hypo clear if you want to. The store bought ones usually include some kind of buffers to compensate for the water pH and hardness.

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Sebastian Bille said:

I couldn't find any information on the ingredients of ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO. Therefore my question: Can it be used as a stop-bath for polysulfid toners and would that require to adjust the dilution?

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JPD said:

If they haven't thought of this particular use, the question could also be is Thio-Clear Eco based on sulfite or carbonate? I'm curious as well.

Welcome to Photrio, Sebastian!

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mohmad khatab said:

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This is the first time in history that I hear that there is a solution dedicated to showering films.
My limited mind is unable to comprehend the story.

I prepare chemistry from scratch.
I swear to you, if you analyze my bath water, you will find it more harmful to the environment than the poor film development.

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Cerebum said:

Is this a fix or a final wash?

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koraks said:

Technically, it's neither!

It's not a fixer. It's a washing aid (not a final wash!) that helps to wash out the fixer from the paper. Consequently, after treatment with this product, paper or film should be washed depending on the regular requirements of the material.

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markbau said:

Water 750ml
Sodium sulfite 200g
WTM 1000ml
Dilute 1:9 for use.

Is all the hypo clear you need!

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Team ADOX said:

ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO is available now:
It saves 50% of the washwater and has no environmentally bad impact.

It is available at the Fotoimpex global online store for our international customers:
https://www.fotoimpex.com/chemistry...Q5_pEBmQXCbymhZfArGfCsfkC2n4K2rlxv6sjOxh9BieI

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Nitroplait said:

Interesting product - thanks for sharing. A few questions:

On the linked Fotoimpex page I read:
"ADOX THIO-CLEAR ECO accelerates and ensures proper elimination of sodium/ammonium thiosulfate (fixer) from the gelatine layer of your films and prints. After a two-minute 1+19 THIO-CLEAR ECO bath, washing times are reduced by 50%."

I am unsure how it translates into actual recommendations.

I use Ilford Reduced Water recommendations:

https://www.ilfordphoto.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Reducing-Wash-Water.pdf

In that context how will the use of ADOX Thio-Clear Eco benefit my process for washing in the 3 scenarios below?:

Film: It is hard for me to imagine any reduction of Ilford's 3 recommended rinses? - or can I have any water reduction benefit from Thio-Clear in this context?

RC paper: If using Thio-Clear, can I reduce RC paper rinse by 50% from the minimum 30sec to a minimum of 15sec of "washing in vigorous fresh running water" as Ilford recommends?
Is that correct?

And most importantly for my usage:

FB paper: Thio-Clear (1+19) 2 min. replaces Ilford WashAid (1+4) 10 min. - otherwise the the Ilford recommendations remains the same (5 min fresh running water before and after)?
Is that correctly understood?

Thanks for clarifying.

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Nitroplait said:

RC paper: If using Thio-Clear, can I reduce RC paper rinse by 50% from the minimum 30sec to a minimum of 15sec of "washing in vigorous fresh running water" as Ilford recommends?
Is that correct?

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JPD said:

I highly doubt that the minimum of a 30 seconds rinse is sufficient for RC paper, even if HCA or Thio-Clear was used. Some recommend 2 minutes, but I've had RC prints going yellow some time later after a 2 minute rinse.

If they are RC prints I want to keep, I tone them in Selenium, quick rinse, Hypo clear bath and at least a five minute rinse. If I don't tone the prints I use a silver stabiliser like Sistan or Adostab after the final rinse. None of those prints have gone yellow.

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ADOX Fotoimpex said:

We are unfamiliar with Ilford recomendations and do not feel comfortable to comment on these. What THIO CLEAR does is it accellerates the transition of fixer through the gelatine. So any wash is simply accelerated and happens faster. This is ofcourse especially helpfull with fibre papers and conventional washing methods where you wash under running water.

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