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11x14 or 8x10 aren't "tiny." They're "just right."
11x14 or 8x10 aren't "tiny." They're "just right."...20 x24 is my sweet spot, not sure if I can get use to tiny prints.
11x14 or 8x10 aren't "tiny." They're "just right."
11x14 or 8x10 aren't "tiny." They're "just right."
Silver prints are now pricing itself out of the common marketplace...
Agfa ? - I thought all their film production was ceased??
Why? My first box of phtographic paper (Agfa), bought 1985 in a local store cost me 29 Deutschmarks for 100 sheets of 5x7.
Today the same paper (ADOX) costs 28,49 EUR´s plus there are cheaper choices now which back then did not exist.
Back then sales tax was 16%, now it is 19%. Apply inflation and average household income increase and you will see that photographic paper today is actually cheaper than in the 1980ies. I am sure it´s the same in the US. The price level which existed in the early 2000 years and effectively put 4/5th of the industry into the ground were not real prices and can´t be compared to. Inkjet is more expensive and if you do alternative printing via a digital internegativ you could do the same for silver paper and only use 1 sheet instead of 7.
Obviously we´d like you to keep "burning" 7 sheets..... ;-)
Today paper cannot be stored for much longer than 5 years anymore. All good stabilizers have been banned.
It´s different for film though because a slight base fogg does not matter and you can print right through.
late 90's, an 8x10 box of ilford fiber was 1/2 of the current price.
At approximately $7.00 per sheet for 20 x24 Silver Gelatin Paper and assuming that it takes me 8 sheets to make an exhibition quality print. Silver prints are now pricing itself out of the common marketplace, and only those with $$financed projects are able to produce large body's of work.
Not to mention I am paying four times square footage for my space than I did in the 90's
At a certain point only the very rich will be able to afford silver prints made to high levels.
With the new digital negative process to Pt Pd and gum over it is now 50% less in cost to produce the same quality alternative print.
I guess a lot depends on what side of the scale you are in regards to the rise in wealth.. Seems that 5% really have done well over the last 20 years, the other 95% not so well.
interesting story.
Not the case (at all) here in the states.
When I started in the late 90's, an 8x10 box of ilford fiber was 1/2 of the current price.
It's not the case anymore. According to B&H ads in the Popular Photography magazine from January 1981 Ilford Pan F, FP4 and HP5 in 135-36 format all were sold at 1,85USD, which equals to 5,07USD in today's money. B&H currently sells Pan F+ at 6,95USD(+37%), FP4+ at 5,99USD(+18%), HP5+ at 5,29USD(+4%). The least popular of these three got the biggest price increase.Actually I disagree. Today film and paper is still cheaper than in the 1980ies and 1990ies (counting the percentage of household income which has to be used to buy it). Prices fell sharply when the market collapsed and never quite recovered since.
I was comparing prices in Germany where a roll of FP4 cost 7 Deutschmarks in the mid 80ies. If a roll really cost just 1,85 USD in the US (currency xchnage rate at this snapshot? fully branded product? 36 exp?) things were different over there. But in any event we are talking today about 1-2% of the market of the 90ies and thus an estimated max. 5% of the market of the 80ies. Real prices should be 5-10x higher. Neither Foma, nor Ilford nor Impossible or us make any money. We live of achievements from the past and the consumers have all the benefits today. The prices of today are still not sustainable. In the best case we can cover variable costs. We could never do R&D for a new product and pay for it from the revenue of the sales.All in all I would say that the prices for silver halide products have fully recovered after the market collapse and now are full steam ahead.
It was like a time capsule, I would go in and when I went to leave it was 36 hours later in the most extreme example.
Personally I'm glad we are getting an inkjet paper from ADOX, as I no longer have darkroom access .
Hi, I purchased some of this paper and I really like it, but the prints are really fragile, you can't even touch them without leaving signs or marks; it seems that the inks aren't absorbed completely by the paper. I'm printing it with a Canon Prograf 1000 Inkjet Printer, I would like to know if somebody else has experienced this kind of problem or it's just me. Until now I used the "Heavyweight Fine Art Paper" setting, maybe it's not the one it should be used?
Actually they were not different at all. According to this site http://fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-rates.php 7DEM equalled 2,39USD in 1985. After we remove Germany's 14% VAT of that period (because B&H prices were without sales tax) we arrive at 2,10USD for a roll of FP4. I say this is pretty damn close to the B&H price of 1,85USD, considering there's always price difference between the two continents.I was comparing prices in Germany where a roll of FP4 cost 7 Deutschmarks in the mid 80ies. If a roll really cost just 1,85 USD in the US (currency xchnage rate at this snapshot? fully branded product? 36 exp?) things were different over there.
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