NEW: ADOX Film Cleaner

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

The Theodor Teichgräber revival continues. Even though this product was not top on the list, it made our telephone lines ring to raised temperatures.

So here it is just before the closure of the year:

The Film Cleaner is back!

I just noted that I had not updated the product description since catalogue version number 7 (1994).
Today we are - of course - a way more serious company, and would never write something like this again!


Mirko

PS Before we get the usual questions about US distribution: I do expect our distributors to stock this product a.s.a.p.

 

[koraks]

I just noted that I had not updated the product description since catalogue version number 7 (1994).

Let me preserve this gem for posterity, in case you ever decide to update the product page on your site:

If the darkroom apprentice drops his liverwurst sandwich on the customers negatives, this film cleaner (along with a swift kick in the behind) will set things right again. The cleaner dissolves grease, fat, and other schmutz from film. Carefully apply with a cleaning cloth or cotton puff and then wipe off.

 

[Mick Fagan]

That is the best description of how a product works.

If possible, don't change a single word; it's priceless!

 

[baachitraka]

 

[Kino]

Now I want a liverwurst sandwich...

 

[xtol121]

Best description ever

As someone who is unfamiliar with this product, how does it differ compared to something like PEC-12? A full liter of concentrate at that price seems like a great deal in comparison. What dilution is recommended, or is it a concentrate that you would generally use directly?

 

[baachitraka]

Now I want a liverwurst sandwich...

Very tasty esp., finely grounded one...

 

[mshchem]

The US Liverwurst was responsible for serious food poisoning not too long back. We would need to come back to Germany for a good sandwich. It does sound wonderful.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Best description ever

As someone who is unfamiliar with this product, how does it differ compared to something like PEC-12? A full liter of concentrate at that price seems like a great deal in comparison. What dilution is recommended, or is it a concentrate that you would generally use directly?

The product is used directly on the film with a soft cloth or a cotton wipe. The dirt transfers into the wipe and the film is immediately dry. Also works against drying marks. So you are using up the bottle with every use. However this is probably a lifetime supply for most amateurs. We mainly sell this into labs. Make sure to use in a ventilated area.

 

[moggi1964]

Bookmarked for the product and the description

 

[Ben Hutcherson]

How does this compare to the old Kodak film cleaner with its great-working, probably not-so-great-for-the-environment-or your own health-chlorocarbons?

 

[DREW WILEY]

The key ingredient of good ole Kodak film cleaner has just been totally banned from any kind of US usage.

 

[mshchem]

CFC-113 + Heptane

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

How does this compare to the old Kodak film cleaner with its great-working, probably not-so-great-for-the-environment-or your own health-chlorocarbons?

I have no expirience with the Kodak product but what I can say is that this stuff has been working over here for me for more than 30 years now. Not sure whats the upside of a fluorinated carbo-hydrate in such a product (it´s more inert?). Its more about having something that does not soak into the gelatine and does not swell it, evaporates fast and helps transfering the grease into the cloth. There are various options available the most generic one being a strong alcohol. Ours works much better though. It´s a sophisticated recipe.
This is surely not one of our products from our ECO line. No other product has all warning labels flagged
In fact we are obliged to sell it only for professional use.

 

[koraks]

In fact we are obliged to sell it only for professional use.

Which is kind of ironic, because it appears to be similar to what many of us throw many gallons of into the tank of our cars every week...

 

[DREW WILEY]

There might be serious issues importing this into the US. Sometimes seemingly minor quantities of things get through the gate unnoticed; but the fines can be pretty steep if caught. I don't know if that applies to Liverwurst too or not.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Which is kind of ironic, because it appears to be similar to what many of us throw many gallons of into the tank of our cars every week...

yup but you usually do this "in a well ventilated environment" The film cleaner does not smell like Gasoline either....What was an upside in many labs in the 90ies might now turn against it due to safety regulations.

 

[Ernst-Jan]

Theodor Teichgräber revival

So Tetenal means something like Theodor Teichgräber Norderstedt? Never realised it was some kind of acronym

Anyhow I'll get some soon, already the description itself is a reason

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

So Tetenal means something like Theodor Teichgräber Norderstedt? Never realised it was some kind of acronym

Anyhow I'll get some soon, already the description itself is a reason

Tetenal is originally from Berlin. Theodor Teichgräber´s drugstore in Berlin Neukölln. They only moved to Hamburg after WWII. They kept a photopaper finishing line here in Berlin until 2008 iIrr.

 

[Crysist]

Just curious, how do you acquire the rights (?) or even the "recipes" of defunct companies' products? I saw you asking on the German forum which products to "bring back", but how are you able to?

 

[Ernst-Jan]

Just curious, how do you acquire the rights (?) or even the "recipes" of defunct companies' products? I saw you asking on the German forum which products to "bring back", but how are you able to?

When a company is bankrupt a curator tries to make as much money as possible to pay debts by selling the leftovers. That can be desks and office chairs, finished stock or in this case knowledge.

 

[MattKing]

The receiver for the insolvent entity known as Ilford Imaging Ltd. sold to the newly incorporated Harman Technology Ltd. a whole bunch of valuable things, including the factory and equipment, plus the recipes and the rights to use the Ilford name on their "Ilford" branded black and white film, paper, chemicals and related products.
In that context, there is no longer an "Ilford" making black and white film, but there is an entity entitled to use "Ilford" as a trade name with respect to that film.

 

[koraks]

When a company is bankrupt a curator tries to make as much money as possible to pay debts by selling the leftovers. That can be desks and office chairs, finished stock or in this case knowledge.

Yes, and that can include brand names as well. Furthermore, protection of brand names as well as other intellectual property (such as chemical formulae or product designs and engineering solutions in general) expires under certain circumstances, in which case they're simply up for grabs. D76 is a nice example in which case Adox was able to grab the name (at least within European scope) simply because there was no entity that had bothered to prolong its protection.

 

[ADOX Fotoimpex]

Yes, and that can include brand names as well. Furthermore, protection of brand names as well as other intellectual property (such as chemical formulae or product designs and engineering solutions in general) expires under certain circumstances, in which case they're simply up for grabs. D76 is a nice example in which case Adox was able to grab the name (at least within European scope) simply because there was no entity that had bothered to prolong its protection.

This is correct but I wanted to add that we did not have the intention to "grab" it but rather to protect the "de facto industry standard" from "being grabbed" by third tier manufacturers or repackagers. We gave a free license back to Photosys when they came back with their Kodak D-76. However three years ago no one could have predicted this.

 

[koraks]

Thanks; for clarity's sake, I did not mean the term 'grab' in a derogatory way.