New Adobe CC Software Will Require Current OS

[Peltigera]

The latest OS gives the most protection from hackers and virii [plural: virus], so get over it and keep your OS current.

Latin plural of 'virus' is 'virus' - it is an irregular noun, not a second declension noun. The English plural of 'virus' is 'viruses' as it is an English word and not the same word as the Latin 'virus' and has a completely different meaning (Latin meaning is 'smelly air').

 

[Susan Smitha]

same here

 

[chriscrawfordphoto]

Folks need to be AWARE

$10 per month, $120 per year, 40 years totals = $4800
If you instead put the $10 in a bank and got 5% annualized, with interest compounding monthly (not daily compounding like banks calculate for savings accounts), interest accumulation would have resulted in $10524 increase in account value over the 40 years.
Ergo, your bank account would be $15334 at the end of 40 years (to be clear, by spending the $10 each month rather than putting that into an account offering 5% growth rate, you do not have an accumulation of $15334 in wealth
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Just be AWARE, and make an intelligent decision for YOURSELF!
I am trying to convert no one to MY point of view. I am showing true 'cost', not the apparent one "It's only nnn"

So if there is an alternate way of accomplishing the same results without payment of a monthly subscription, you will be $15k richer in the end.

No, I'd be FAR poorer. I make my living using Adobe's software, and I earn a lot more than $15,000 in ten years from it. Its a business expense, and one of the lowest ones I have, for a service I use several hours a day to earn money.

Also, no bank today pays 5% interest. Try 1/2 %; that's more realistic today. Putting money in the bank actually loses money because the rate of inflation is likely higher than the interest they pay you.

 

[jrhilton]

It is a product that is primarily aimed at professionals using it to earn a living - it is therefor priced accordingly.

And only running on the latest OS is not a surprising move. Technology moves on....I would not be surprised if Adobe have some good stats on what OS's people use their products onand don't see a risk doing this, suggesting most people are using the latest versions....

 

[MattKing]

It is a product that is primarily aimed at professionals using it to earn a living - it is therefor priced accordingly.

And only running on the latest OS is not a surprising move. Technology moves on....I would not be surprised if Adobe have some good stats on what OS's people use their products onand don't see a risk doing this, suggesting most people are using the latest versions....

Sean has the stats about what browsers are being used by those who access Photrio.
There are some really interesting anachronisms on the list .

 

[Ces1um]

You people do know that they just doubled the price of their "photography" plan. It's no longer $10/month. It's $20/month. I really like lightroom, having just started using it but I do not see me spending $20/month. I might sign up for a single month, edit a bunch of photos and then discontinue my membership. Sign up again 3 months down the road for another month...

 

[faberryman]

You people do know that they just doubled the price of their "photography" plan. It's no longer $10/month. It's $20/month.

The $10/month photography plan is currently available as the default choice on the Adobe website.

 

[Luckless]

Sean has the stats about what browsers are being used by those who access Photrio.
There are some really interesting anachronisms on the list .

Something tells me that the core of Adobe's market for their powerful digital editing software doesn't have a very strong overlap with the parts of the Photrio Userbase who would have 'interesting' entries on that list...

However I wouldn't mind seeing an updated list. Last real comment on such stats that I pulled up with a quick search was nearly a decade old at this point.

 

[BMbikerider]

Adobe could not produce enough new features with their software to make them compelling enough for people to upgrade. To get around that problem, they stopped selling the software and now people have to rent it.

Ridiculous.

That isn't actually accurate! In fact totally incorrect!!!

Straight from the 'Horses Mouth' so to speak. From someone who works for Adobe, the reasons for the change are multi but the main ones are that so many Pirate Copies were being made they were loosing out on business. Also the development is ongoing and to keep up to date would mean a new copy of the soft ware would have to appear to maintain it's position as the 'Market Leader' (Their words not mine). Not all of this development is visible to users but it all goes to form part of the Adobe package.

I did not like the idea of paying monthly at first, but when you look at it, there is little comparison between the monthly subscription than regular upgrades in the form of a new disc. It also saves them the cost of a new disc and packaging and in any case now, so many new computers, especially laptops, do not have a CD reader to load the disc anyway.

When I first changed from Adobe CS4 to CC, it uploaded quite easily onto my free version of Windows 10 and has continued to work without a problem although there have been many updates from Adobe and Windows since then. I also have a new laptop (6 weeks old) which came with Windows 10 installed and so far since I have owned it there have been updates with both Windows 10 and CC twice without a problem. My only gripe is that my line speed is not the quickest so an update can be quite lengthy, but that is not their fault.

As for cost, I pay about £9.75 per month not anything like 20$. There was a price increase in the last year but that was around 50p per month or around 65 cents. I think it is still good value and have been using Adobe for the past 19 years and feel very comfortable with what it can and cannot do.

Quick amendment. I don't work for Adobe it is a family friend - sorry for any mixup!

 

[runswithsizzers]

I recently got an email from Adobe about my subscription to the Creative Cloud Photography Plan, which is scheduled to renew on May 17. The email clearly states my monthly rate will continue to be "USD 9.99" - just as it has been since I first started with the Photography Plan in May of 2016. So, for me, at least, the price has not doubled; in fact, it is exactly the same as it was three years ago.

As for Adobe's photography running only on the "current" OS, that was not true when this thread was started last August, and it's not true now. Apple's current OS is Mojave (10.14). Right now my iMac is running Sierra (10.12), two version behind the current one, and both Photoshop and Lightroom are running just fine for me. And this on an 8 year old iMac. True, there are a couple of the newest featuress of the Adobe software that are not fully supported by my old OS/hardware (like Enhance Details), but I am still better off having the most recent versions of PS and LR than I would be with a two or three year old version. Most of the newer features do work for me, and more cameras and lenses are supported.

 

[wiltw]

Indeed on Aug 24, 2018, Adobe did make this statement,

"To take advantage of the latest operating system features and technologies, the next major release of Creative Cloud will not support Windows 8.1, Windows 10 v1511 and v1607"​

https://theblog.adobe.com/upcoming-changes-to-creative-cloud-os-support-for-windows-and-mac/

<sigh yet again at the inconsitency of Adobe> And yet, confusingly, this page posted on April 2, 2019 gives no hint of minimum rev level of Win10 for support of CC https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/os-support-for-cc-2019-apps.html

"Learn about the compatibility between the latest Creative Cloud 2019 apps and Windows and macOS operating systems.
"Focusing our development efforts on modern versions of Windows and Mac operating systems allows us to concentrate on developing the features and functionality most requested by you, while ensuring peak performance that takes advantage of modern hardware. To take advantage of the continued developments in hardware and software, Creative Cloud 2019 apps do not support some older OS versions. You will not be able to install or run Creative Cloud 2019 apps unless you’re on a supported version of Windows or macOS.
"Creative Cloud 2019 apps are available for Windows 7, Windows 10 or later, and macOS Sierra 10.12 or later. 2019 versions of Digital Video products require the newest versions of Windows 10 and macOS Sierra or later. Windows 8.1 or early Windows 10 versions are not supported."​

and going to their min requirements page shows nothing either https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/system-requirements.html

Maybe Adobe is testing public reaction and will change its corporate mind once more?!

 

[wiltw]

No, I'd be FAR poorer. I make my living using Adobe's software, and I earn a lot more than $15,000 in ten years from it. Its a business expense, and one of the lowest ones I have, for a service I use several hours a day to earn money.

Also, no bank today pays 5% interest. Try 1/2 %; that's more realistic today. Putting money in the bank actually loses money because the rate of inflation is likely higher than the interest they pay you.

The Great Recession recovery set everyone's expectations to expect close to nothing in passbook bank savings interest. And savings accounts with 4-5% could still be found in late 2006. Banks want some deposits in their savings accounts, but unless they can lend out money at a higher rate than they are offering on savings accounts, they’re not going to make money. They’re going to lose money. The problem is low interest rates on loans, such as mortgages in the 4-5% range, they cannot afford to pay too high to interest bearing accounts. But you can get greater yield with only moderate risk investments, albeit not backed by the FDIC.

So, given the recent history (as recent as 12 years ago) of passbook savings at 4-5%, and given that inflation in the US has been only 3.15% for the period of 1913-now , I felt 4-5% savings growth to be very conservative.

You derive INCOME from your expense, and (let me say it again) I do not fault Adobe for trying to underwrite its costs.
But as a hobbyist, it is nothing but a pastime that drains my retirement resources. Simply asking for recognition in pricing accordingly, to differentiate the commercial use vs. the hobby use
Yes, Adobe can choose to walk away from its amateur market...they leave a lot of folks abandoning them with a bitter taste in their mouth...by not rewarding the loyalty of its very long time customers.

 

[faberryman]

You derive INCOME from your expense, and (let me say it again) I do not fault Adobe for trying to underwrite its costs. But as a hobbyist, it is nothing but a pastime that drains my retirement resources. Simply asking for recognition in pricing accordingly, to differentiate the commercial use vs. the hobby use Yes, Adobe can choose to walk away from its amateur market...they leave a lot of folks abandoning them with a bitter taste in their mouth...by not rewarding the loyalty of its very long time customers.

The thing is they offer a product at a price. You can buy it or not. Your choice. Everybody wishes everything costs less than it does. Whining about the price doesn't get you anywhere. There are lots of choices. Find one that works for you and move on.

 

[blockend]

As with so many things, ownership has been replaced by subscription. This represents a perfect marketing storm, a locked-in customer fed incremental "improvements" in exchange for a permanent hand in his/her salary. Digital imaging and hosting is at an experimental stage, and nobody's quite sure what it's worth. Somewhere between zero and whatever-you'd-pay to reclaim family heirlooms. This should sound warning bells to anyone who cares about longevity and access.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

I just got a new Mac and haven't gone the CC route, yet (I had CS5 and LR5 on my old one). I've been using On1 and kinda like it. I can't do some things as quickly as in CS5, but that's mostly learning curve.

It is a bit annoying that newer software needs newer hardware and vice versa - never ending cycle.

I like my subcription to CC.

 

[Ces1um]

The $10/month photography plan is currently available as the default choice on the Adobe website.

Just based things off of what I've read/seen on youtube. Here are a few current links (some from just two days ago) that show the $20/month plan is now the base plan.

https://www.macrumors.com/2019/05/02/adobe-doubles-photography-plan-pricing/
https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/2/18526985/adobe-creative-cloud-lightroom-photoshop-plan-price-hike
https://www.newsweek.com/twitter-ar...-doubles-basic-photography-plan-price-1413537
https://www.diyphotography.net/the-...as-vanished-from-the-adobe-website-now-19-99/

and for those of you who don't like to read...



From what I've read only very certain regions (even within countries) can still access the old plan of $9.99/month. There is a lot of pushback from the internets though so hopefully they'll roll their price back. If you're still in an area that is $9.99/month maybe consider prepaying for the year?

 

[wiltw]

The thing is they offer a product at a price. You can buy it or not. Your choice. Everybody wishes everything costs less than it does. Whining about the price doesn't get you anywhere. There are lots of choices. Find one that works for you and move on.

'You can lose your left hand, or you can lose your right hand...WHICH would YOU prefer?' is a choice, too! ...just injecting a bit of humor into the exchange of opinions.

 

[Luckless]

'You can lose your left hand, or you can lose your right hand...WHICH would YOU prefer?' is a choice, too! ...just injecting a bit of humor into the exchange of opinions.

You can support the development of Adobe, and have the tools they provide improve over the years and continue to be updated, or you can "fight the good fight" to have the company go under and stop updating the tools... Its a choice, and which would you prefer?

[I've put my subscription on hold, because I've been too busy with my day job to really justify the expense in the last while, but I'll have the latest version of all the tools at hand whenever I get time to get back to them, and won't have sunk massive up-front costs into outdated tools that I ended up having barely used.]

 

[Sirius Glass]

Or one could use GIMP and pay nothing.

 

[RalphLambrecht]

Or one could use GIMP and pay nothing.

that attitude will kill sofware developers an our choicea for the future. I don't work for free;you don't;why should they?

 

[Ces1um]

Or one could use GIMP and pay nothing.

Technically while gimp is free, they do accept donations for the gimp project as a whole. While you don't have to pay anything , the same argument others have made still stands. If you donate to them, the software (gimp) will continue to be developed and will grow to meet future needs. If you don't, it will always fall behind the technology curve and eventually just stopped being worked on.
https://www.gimp.org/donating/

 

[blockend]

that attitude will kill sofware developers an our choicea for the future. I don't work for free;you don't;why should they?

I've always used camera software or freeware, and haven't felt at a disadvantage. When you buy a new camera you pay for the editor. Recent versions have crippled universal access, meaning only the same brand of camera can be used, which is fair enough.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Or one could use GIMP and pay nothing.

that attitude will kill software developers an our choice for the future. I don't work for free;you don't;why should they?

I posted it as a response to the OP's complaint about needed to keep the OS up to date. I posted earlier that out of date OS makes one vulnerable to virus attacks.

 

[jtk]

PS is important for me and probably for the majority of demanding photographers . Gimp isn't.

Adobe doesn't need everybody's business.

I just renewed my subscription. $10 more didn't happen and if it eventually does that won't be problem.

I don't see any justification for Lightroom...ought to be melded into Photoshop.

Am investigating alternatives to Efex...that seems more important than quibbling about Adobe business model.

 

[jtk]

I've stepped up to the plate and bot Efex to augment PS...nothing comes close for B+W printing ... And it's intuitive.