Never appeared developing tank for APS film？

[captain ZZM]

I have some APS film in my refrigerator,l want shoot them but l must send film to lab,they can’t force processing and cost is not low. I want to buy a tank or reel for APS film, so l can processing APS film at home. Unfortunately, l never see this tank, they never to production？

 

[AgX]

If you are DIY-inclined you can modify reels as those Jobo 1001 ones to take APS film.

The AP-System was devised to benefit a spectrum of consumers and processing was intended to be done by the industry.
Though offering benefits to the selfprocessing amateur too, with type 135 still in existance and flourishing not much attempt at this clientele was done.
But Jobo offered an APS reel for the 2500 tank-system.

 

[jeffreythree]

You could do something similar to this 110 film modification to Patterson reels and just cut it down the proper amount. http://www.instructables.com/id/Modify-a-Patterson-film-reel-to-process-110-film/ I found a 110 reel before trying this modification, and I am sure someone could do a better job with a bit of care.

 

[MattKing]

The old Kodak developing aprons for 35mm film might work well - might actually work better than with 35mm.

 

[trythis]

I have something that might work. And maybe they are they are the aprons but there a roll of plastic with wavy edges so that film will be suspended between them inside a developing tank. I can post them in the classified section if you want


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[cmacd123]

part of the APS idea was that the film would be replaced in teh cartridge at the end of the process. The photo finishers had to buy machines that could recut the tail of the roll and also reattach the film. DIY processing was about 180 degrees away form that model.

 

[MattKing]

I have something that might work. And maybe they are they are the aprons but there a roll of plastic with wavy edges so that film will be suspended between them inside a developing tank. I can post them in the classified section if you want


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Those are the developing aprons.

They work best with a tank with an appropriate centre column.

 

[trythis]

I have the tanks and metal caps for 120 and 135
I am not sure I have lids

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[DWThomas]

This thread piqued my attention ... And I turned out to be more organized than I expected.**

I own a plastic tank with adjustable spacing for the spirals, an FR "Special" and was even able to find it. (Probably hasn't had a film in it in forty years.) There is a metal clip between the reels with a point to snag the end of a film. With that in place, the reels don't quite get close enough, but by popping the bottom reel off, the clip can be removed -- and VIOLA!!!!





The spiral ribs are pretty deep, I have doubts I would want to bend a narrow film enough to wind it on, but it seemed it might be possible to just push it in from the end. I have no idea how likely it is that such a tank (or its equivalent) could be found these days (and I want to keep mine in case a roll of 127 appears.

Of course such manipulations need to happen in absolute darkness, so I would recommend NOT beginning with the film from your daughter's wedding or the shots from that balloon trip over Antarctica.

** My real challenge was locating an APS cartridge!

 

[AgX]

Never appeared developing tank for APS film？

As I said It was made by Jobo (or at least listed).
But it never appeared in front of me. As did not anything else of the 2500 series at the places I frequent for used photo stuff.

 

[MartinP]

At the time, I had the distinct impression that the main purpose of APS was to make money for the companies supplying the film and lab equipment (ie. Kodak and, to a lesser extent, Fuji). The consumer, 135 size, develop-and-print market was 'mature' so not much big re-equipping was being done for decades, apart from the occasional start-up -- until they had to install APS machinery . . .

 

[AgX]

APS was developed by all three major film manufacturers and they had to install new machinery themselves.
It was an attempt to bring new impetus to the market by an innovative new format in times of emerging digital cameras.

I have not seen any Kodak machinery at photo-finishers. But Agfa machinery.

 

[Paul Howell]

The only special equipment a minilab needed was a detacher/retacher device to detach the film from the canister and reattach the film once processed, and a negative carrier. The carrier could read the magnetic strip on the film to know how to print each frame, HD, C or P and match the film back to the canister. The market for the most part was for those who were taking snap shots, in past people who used 110 and 126 and later point and shot 35mm. My wife shot with 110 for years, I got her a Minolta 110 then she moved to a 35mm point and shoot and then to APS. I don't know what happened to her APS camera, but I have 12 rolls of APS, I just bought an Olympus APS camera for $5.00, my local minilab still processes APS.

 

[captain ZZM]

The old Kodak developing aprons for 35mm film might work well - might actually work better than with 35mm.

So 35mm wavy edges reel can be used in APS？In my place l can buy cheap old aprons reel and tank.

 

[Paul Howell]

A tank with a film apron will work, need the top plate that fits on top of the apron. As all APS is C41 I recommend that you fill a tank loaded with an empty apron with water and check the drain time. I have not used a film apron for many years, like 45, but as I recall the fill and drain times were longish. Also make sure you really clean the tank and apron well.

 

[AgX]

So 35mm wavy edges reel can be used in APS？In my place l can buy cheap old aprons reel and tank.

No.

Those "aprons" are 35mm wide film that got edges with protrusions (with the film forming these protrusions).

In the ideal form they got protrusions for and after. By this a film can be laid onto that "Apron" and rolled up with it to a reel, being held at front and back side just by these protrusions. And the processing solutions could pass the film at both surfaces.

But this reqires the film to be processed to be the same width as that apron and to have sufficient unexposed area to be in contact with those protrusions without the image area being affected.

 

[Paul Howell]

No.

Those "aprons" are 35mm wide film that got edges with protrusions (with the film forming these protrusions).

In the ideal form they got protrusions for and after. By this a film can be laid onto that "Apron" and rolled up with it to a reel, being held at front and back side just by these protrusions. And the processing solutions could pass the film at both surfaces.

But this reqires the film to be processed to be the same width as that apron and to have sufficient unexposed area to be in contact with those protrusions without the image area being affected.

Now that I think about your right, the 35mm is held in suspension from the top and bottom by the waves in the apron, 126 and 110 buy just the top or bottom of the film with the sprockets used to advance the film. APS does have the small areas on the bottom and top, the bottom with the sprocket holes and the top with the magnetic strip, need a 110 apron.

 

[MattKing]

Now that I think about your right, the 35mm is held in suspension from the top and bottom by the waves in the apron, 126 and 110 buy just the top or bottom of the film with the sprockets used to advance the film. APS does have the small areas on the bottom and top, the bottom with the sprocket holes and the top with the magnetic strip, need a 110 apron.

I'm not so sure it wouldn't work. The wavy edges keep the layers of the aprons themselves separate, so the film is free to move in the cavity between them.

And the film is wide enough (24mm) that there isn't a lot of room to move in that central area. The total width of the aprons is only 35mm.

 

[Paul Howell]

I'm not so sure it wouldn't work. The wavy edges keep the layers of the aprons themselves separate, so the film is free to move in the cavity between them.

And the film is wide enough (24mm) that there isn't a lot of room to move in that central area. The total width of the aprons is only 35mm.

Maybe, but if any portion of the emulsion side sticks to the apron it will be under developed. I guess you could roll it up with just edge in the wavy edge of the apron and hope for the best. I don't know if Kodak ever made a apron for 110.

 

[MattKing]

Maybe, but if any portion of the emulsion side sticks to the apron it will be under developed. I guess you could roll it up with just edge in the wavy edge of the apron and hope for the best. I don't know if Kodak ever made a apron for 110.

I understand the concern. I do believe, however, that the aprons move around a lot when you agitate.

I should try developing a roll of 35mm using the 120 apron to see what happens.

 

[gzhuang]

Paterson Major II Universal Tank

Closes all the way down to fit APS films!

 

[Paul Howell]

So any reel that will take 110 will also work with APS.

 

[cmacd123]

So any reel that will take 110 will also work with APS.

No 110 is 16mm wide. APS is wider than that, but Narrower than 35mm.

 

[railwayman3]

No 110 is 16mm wide. APS is wider than that, but Narrower than 35mm.

APS is 24mm width.

 

[ic-racer]

Even when I started photography in the early 1970s one had to process one's own B&W film as reliable processing and printing were not easily found. APS, by preventing the photographer from developing and printing the film, was, in my opinion, the worst photographic invention of our time.