Negative carrier for Epson flatbed that doesn't cut off frame number and film type?

billorg · Jul 12, 2022

Is there any way other than DSLR scanning where I can get the edges of the film scanned so I have a permanent copy of the neg number and film type on the images? Scanner is not happy with anything other than basically the area coverage and shape of what it comes with, so laying a plate of glass over the negatives wouldn't work. There must be a way! Thanks! Bill

Nitroplait · Jul 12, 2022

Which model is that? My V600 don't require me to use the carriers. I use Epson Scan 2.

billorg · Jul 12, 2022

Epson Perfection V550

Nitroplait · Jul 12, 2022

That is basically the same scanner as mine less ICE.
Do you use Epson Scan ?

billorg · Jul 12, 2022

Nitroplait said:
That is basically the same scanner as mine less ICE.
Do you use Epson Scan ?

Yes, I tried to use Vuescan and Silverfast, but neither would run on my high end Win 10 machine that I built! So weird!

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 12, 2022

Download the latest Epsonscan for Widnows from the Epson site. Epsonscan 2 is for Apple machines.

Select Professional mode. Lay the film on the glass. Remove the protective cover on the top portion of the scanner. Select Film (with Film Area Guide) not Film Holder in Document Type. Hit Prescan. After the image pops up, select Manual and then crop the picture to your liking using your mouse Do not select Thumbnail as this might chop off parts. MAke other adjustments as desired. Then proceed with the main Scan.

Here's an example.

Blue Tang by Alan Klein, on Flickr

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 12, 2022

Note that Epsonscan works on both Windows 10 and 11.

billorg · Jul 12, 2022

I pretty much found the workaround - do the preview scan with everything in place as normal. Then you can remove the neg carrier and lay the film on the glass. As long as you don’t do a preview again in this mode, you can just switch out the negatives. Are they fully flat? Maybe, maybe not…

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 12, 2022

Goad you worked it out. If you switch out the negatives and the dashed crop lines don't line up, you can move the box to make it fit better. Good luck.

gone · Jul 12, 2022

Nothing runs right on Win 10, at least not for me. Get yourself something w/ a decent OS, I won't go beyond Win 7.

I just taped the neg strips to the scanner's glass on my old Epson 2450 (didn't have the negative carriers) and used the Epson scanning software. If anything, the scans were improved because the negs sat flatter.

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 12, 2022

momus said:
Nothing runs right on Win 10, at least not for me. Get yourself something w/ a decent OS, I won't go beyond Win 7.

I just taped the neg strips to the scanner's glass on my old Epson 2450 (didn't have the negative carriers) and used the Epson scanning software. If anything, the scans were improved because the negs sat flatter.

I was opposed to upgrading from Windows 7 to 10 for a long while. Then finally bit the bullet. It was fine. I just bought a new desktop computer that came with Windows 11. Works even better than 10. No problems with my V850 scanner or anything else for that matter.

grat · Jul 12, 2022

momus said:
Nothing runs right on Win 10, at least not for me. Get yourself something w/ a decent OS, I won't go beyond Win 7.

I hate posts like this. Windows 10 works fine, and Silverfast 8 (and 9) work just fine on it.

Windows 7 was a very good OS in it's day, but now it's a security risk waiting to be hacked.

MattKing · Jul 12, 2022

My Vuescan runs great on machines that started out as Windows 10, and on a machine that started out on Windows 7 and whose operating system was upgraded to Windows 10.
I'm guessing, but I wonder if the "high end Windows 10 machine (he/she/they) built" has a super special video card that Vuescan and Silverfast have trouble with.
"high end" often means a gamer's machine with really fast video capabilities.

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 12, 2022

I still haven't figured out if my new Windows 11 Dell machine with a top-notch video card is using it or the less powerful video portion of the processor card to drive my NEC calibratable monitor?

grat · Jul 12, 2022

MattKing said:
My Vuescan runs great on machines that started out as Windows 10, and on a machine that started out on Windows 7 and whose operating system was upgraded to Windows 10.
I'm guessing, but I wonder if the "high end Windows 10 machine (he/she/they) built" has a super special video card that Vuescan and Silverfast have trouble with.
"high end" often means a gamer's machine with really fast video capabilities.

My scanning / editing machine is also my gaming rig-- Admittedly, it's a bit old now, but it's a Ryzen 7 1800X, with 32GB DDR4-3200 RAM, and an NVidia GTX 1070 Ti video card. I don't do version to version upgrades, so it was clean-built as windows 10, and my old profile was migrated over via the "User State Migration Tool" (since Microsoft deprecated the Windows Easy Transfer utility).

I assure you-- the speed of the graphics card has nothing to do with how Silverfast, or Vuescan, perform. I don't even think they're touching the directX libraries, except for indirectly by creating windows on the desktop.

However, especially for boxes like mine (X370 chipset), the USB 3.0 drivers are a little persnickety, so it's always worth putting your scanner into a USB 2.0 port, and it's definitely worthwhile to download the official drivers for all of your USB chips. In the case of my motherboard, the USB 3.x driver is by one manufacturer, and the USB 2.x drivers are by a different one. That's not the fault of the OS-- it's the fault of the hardware.

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 13, 2022

With both Windows 10 and 11, I just remembered that sometimes the computer doesn't see the Epson V850 and V600 scanner. So I have to reboot. Currently, in my Windows 11 machine, I have the Epson V850 plugged into the USB 3.1 gen 1 jack.
Do you really get more solid performance with the USB 2?

grat · Jul 13, 2022

Alan Edward Klein said:
Do you really get more solid performance with the USB 2?

It's hard to say. I haven't really had any problems, but I always connect the scanner to the front panel when I'm ready to use it.

The two USB ports I have the most problem with, are on the rear of my motherboard and are USB 3.1 and are definitely a different chipset from the rest of the USB ports. But, it appears that I do occasionally connect to the USB 3.0 port(s) on the front of the PC, and haven't had issues.

By the way, for USB, you can usually clear the problem by moving the cable to a different port-- Windows believes that's a "new device", so it will usually reinstall the existing driver, without needing a reboot.

Alan Edward Klein · Jul 13, 2022

grat said:
It's hard to say. I haven't really had any problems, but I always connect the scanner to the front panel when I'm ready to use it.

The two USB ports I have the most problem with, are on the rear of my motherboard and are USB 3.1 and are definitely a different chipset from the rest of the USB ports. But, it appears that I do occasionally connect to the USB 3.0 port(s) on the front of the PC, and haven't had issues.

By the way, for USB, you can usually clear the problem by moving the cable to a different port-- Windows believes that's a "new device", so it will usually reinstall the existing driver, without needing a reboot.

I have the only 2 USB 2 ports in the back connected to my keyboard and to the monitor as a cable extension when I connect stuff to the monitor's USB. All the rest in front and back are 3.1's. I keep my V850 connected to the USB 3 in the back.

What happens sometimes if I have the computer on and then turn on the Epson, it doesn't see it. So I reboot. Not a big deal. It was happening with both my V600 and V850 on my old Windows 10 machine too and seems to be carried over to my new Windows 11.

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