need the facts on ektachrome 100d 35mm motion picture film as 'slide' film.

[Robert Liebermann]

Embarrassed that I don't know this and a little spooked that extensive web/site searches can't tell me what I need to know...

I couldn't find any useful info or examples on the web that were intended as 'straight' photography or motion picture stuff, so if anybody knows of any tests, reviews, or galleries I'd like to take a look at what one can do with this film.

The question: does this film behave as a 'regular' e-6 film if used as a film for, say, natural light landscape stuff? Can I use it as I'd used EPP or whatever? Or is there some difference that'll make the colors off? Does it have the same perforations as 'still' 35mm film, so I can bulk load it and shoot as normal? Is the contrast similar? Are any filters required? Any weird masking or backing? Does it scan well?

I'm not looking for super-technical comments as to the minutiae of grain, contrast, etc. of kodak vs. fuji or ektachrome vs. kodachrome or whatever (but feel free to post them, what the heck, everything's useful for later seekers). More interested in the suitability as such. Beggars can't be choosers anymore, that period of history's over.

I just want to know if I can use this while it's still around. Like I did ~2004-2010 with kodachrome, I'm going to try to shoot any ektachrome while I can, but the prices on the 35mm rolled stuff are soon going to be prohibitive.

Help, thanks!

 

[wildbill]

motion picture perfs. yes, you should be able to use it in a still camera. filtration is the same when I've shot it. Will it be worth the trouble vs. buying fuji provia in cartridges? Probably not.

 

[Robert Liebermann]

motion picture perfs. ... filtration is the same when I've shot it.

Thanks - are MP perfs the same as 35mm for 'regular' cameras? ... Filtration the same as what?

 

[McFortner]

Thanks - are MP perfs the same as 35mm for 'regular' cameras?

Yes, the spacing is the same for movie and photo film. 35mm film cameras got their start from cameras made to use the left over unshot film from movies. There may be a slight difference in only that some movie films have a rounded sprocket ends (__) vs. photographic film with it's 90 degree ends [__], but it will not bother your 35mm cameras at all.

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Robert ,

Motion Film Processing with homemix or lab order ECN2 developer widely discussed. I dont know but there can be a anti reflective black carbon layer could be used even at Motion Ektachrome film. I am not sure but lots of motion picture films uses it. If you want to process your film at home , you can remove it after expose and before development . But if you order a processing , this layer disturb your labs processor with a mess. In two cases , you must remove the layer. So before investment , search for the data sheets of that film at kodak com or private message , photo engineer at APUG.

Good luck , I will search the threads and will help you with small list and I will look for the kodak data sheet.

Umut

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Robert ,

If I am not wrong , it comes in 300 meter roll.


More information of the film is herebelow. I could not find information on antireflective coating is there or not with quick look. If nobody answers , its because of busy traffic so you must ask in other thread.


http://motion.kodak.com/motion/uploadedFiles/TI2496.pdf

Some information on filtering is herebelow.

Suggested Filters³
Suggested Filter for Color Balance for Daylight Use None
Suggested Neutral Density Filter .3 to .6
³ Suggested Neutral Density Filters are general suggestions for each film used in a "daylight" situation to help avoid overexposure of high-speed films and to support lens performance. All filters are not created the same, and you should be aware of its individual performance properties before using them.


Read more:

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/Products/Production/Color_Reversal_Films/5285.htm#recommended_filters_header#ixzz1qXsGlamV

Umut

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Robert ,

Do you know short end , short cut movie film sellers. Google them , you can buy extreme cheap short film rolls from US.

http://www.releasing.net/rawstock/

http://www.tapesuperstore.com/16mm35mm.html

Umut

 

[MDR]

Ektachrome 100D is processed in Standard E6 chemicals and not ECN2 furthermore Ektachrome 100D does not have a Remjet backing so it can be be processed at home in E6. The perforation is different to still film B&H perforation (cine film) vs KS (Kodak perforation) (still film and Cine print film as well as Russian MP cameras) but since normal still cameras don't have a registration pin you shouldn't have any problems using it in your still camera

Good Luck
Dominik

 

[Mustafa Umut Sarac]

Thank you Dominik.

 

[Robert Liebermann]

Hi Umut, Dominik et al. - thanks for the info. Esp. RE: the short-end sellers! Will have to look into that. So now I understand what remjet backing is; and this doesn't have it so even better.

I looked at the Kodak datasheets earlier, but as it seems entirely directed at motion picture use I was unsure if any things I'd need to know - I understand 'still' film well, but know nothing of cinema films. I was aware it's e-6, of course, so that's an indicator.

The last thing I'm unsure of, and this is a big part, is if the film would appear as 'daylight' slide film as I know it. The only web examples I could find seem to be people using damaged or 'cross-processed' uses, which is OK but not what I'm looking for (yet!).

So if anybody can tell me something like 'yes, shoot landscapes in your SLR, metering and filtering as you would Ekatachrome pro 100 daylight, process as same, and you'll not be surprised' that's what I'm looking for (feel free to copy/paste, even, if it's true). Or, 'don't use it without a xxx filter and even then it'll have a lime green cast and b;a bla bla' would tell me to rethink this. I just need to know if there's something 'different' from other e6 film here.

I might save up and buy one of those long rolls just to prepare for the inevitable... I guess I'd have to build some sort of modified bulk loader for that size roll...

The thing that confuses me is, if this can be shot as 'slide' film, why I can't find anything about that use on the web.

 

[kb3lms]

Hi Robert,

I haven't used the Ektachrome but I am using 5207 250D movie negative film right now. If the film is listed as 100D, the 'D' stands for daylight. The other film I am starting to use is 5219 200T where the 'T' stands for Tungsten balance. So 100D would be a daylight balance film intended for outdoor use.

WRT bulk loading, I have given up on the bulk loader path and just pull out a good arm's length of film off the spool in the darkroom, cut it and roll it into the cassette. It's just easier that way and you don't end up with an exposed tail at the end of the roll or scratches from the loader.

I'd try and shoot as normal slide film and I would bet it would work just fine. The CN film works just like regular daylight negative film except the contrast is a little lower as CN films are intended for making positive film prints.

The slightly different sprocket holes will not bother your camera one bit.

-- Jason

 

[wildbill]

Dude, its 100 speed daylight reversal film. No special filters needed. Shoot it as you would any other 100 speed e-6 film. Don't buy $1000 of it until you've sampled some.

 

[frobozz]

It's very hard to find short ends of 100D. In fact it's getting harder to buy 100D at all - the only remaining 35mm size is the 400ft roll on a core. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kodak canned up a master roll of it for some cinematographers that were demanding it, and once those all get sold, there will be no more. It's still pretty popular with the 16mm and 8/super-8 crowd but I'm betting it's virtually unused by 35mm cinematographers these days.

At $475 for 400 feet I considered it no bargain at all compared to buying normal still camera film from Kodak... but now that it's the only reversal film left maybe that price doesn't seem so bad. But grab it while you can, like I said I bet once the frozen supply at Kodak is gone, it's gone. (Movie film is not given an expiration date - it's assumed to be a short path from Kodak to the camera to the lab - so they can and will just keep selling it for however long it is until it's gone, if my theory is correct.)

If you send it off to a lab for processing, you should make sure they are OK with this (from the data sheet ):

Note: KODAK EKTACHROME 100D Color Reversal Film 5285 / 7285 contains special sensitizing and filter dyes that improve color reproduction. Because these dyes are designed to rinse out of the film during processing, they will change the color of the first developer, the reversal bath, the final wash, and the final rinse. This solution discoloration is only cosmetic. It will not affect sensitometry or the quality of any Process E-6 film or control material. However, the solutions will cause splicing tape and processing equipment (rollers, racks, etc.) to have a pinkish color. The pink dye residue can easily be washed off processing equipment by following normal maintenance procedures.

Duncan

 

[frobozz]

It's very hard to find short ends of 100D. In fact it's getting harder to buy 100D at all - the only remaining 35mm size is the 400ft roll on a core. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that Kodak canned up a master roll of it for some cinematographers that were demanding it, and once those all get sold, there will be no more. It's still pretty popular with the 16mm and 8/super-8 crowd but I'm betting it's virtually unused by 35mm cinematographers these days.

I'm surprised it took 9 months...

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/The_Storyboard/4294970514/index.htm

Duncan

 

[stefan4u]

High Robert!

This is an older thread, but if still of interest for you and assuming you can get your hands on a roll, buy one.

First respool in complete Darkness with gloved hands to a smaller, bulk loader compatible roll at about 100 feet, freeze the “residual” main roll airtight sealed.

So yes, shoot landscapes in your SLR, metering and filtering as you would Ektachrome pro 100 daylight, process as same, and you'll not be surprised
This is valid with one exception, we are talking about a E100VS (vivid saturation). Good for Landscapes and everything that have a lot of blue color in, or need some extra punch, maybe not ideal for portraits. It`s not that deadly neutral as the ektachrome 100, pronouncing a bit more blue.

Compare
E100 http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e27/e27.pdf
E100VS http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/support/techPubs/e163/e163.pdf
100D http://www.zerelda.com/internationalfilm/technical_files/5285.pdf

The 100D is / was virtually the same product as the E100VS, except the slightly different sprocket holes and different numbers/bar codes exposed to the border.

Regards,
Stefan

 

[destroya]

just found this on amazon...

http://www.amazon.com/2-Pack-Kodak-Ektachrome-Color-Reversal/dp/B003MA1S4M/ref=pd_sim_sbs_p_2

so if i read this thread correctly, you can buy this, put it in your bulk roller and use it as slide film and then develop it in E-6 right? if so then this seems very interesting to me. so am I reading this thread correctly?

 

[nickrapak]

You are reading the thread correctly, but the film in your link is Super 8 film, not 35mm. 35mm E100D only comes in 400 foot rolls. The best way to order the 35mm is to call up Kodak at 800-621-3456. They have the cheapest prices, and ship directly to you.

 

[frobozz]

You are reading the thread correctly, but the film in your link is Super 8 film, not 35mm. 35mm E100D only comes in 400 foot rolls. The best way to order the 35mm is to call up Kodak at 800-621-3456. They have the cheapest prices, and ship directly to you.

And for completeness' sake, the catalog number you want to order is 8673741 which is Kodak 5285 in 35mmx400 ft roll. The price in the US is $475.73, plus shipping and taxes. And you might want to hurry, this is literally an offer that is "good while supplies last" !

Duncan

 

[frobozz]

My roll arrived today, just one day later, shipped out of Carol Stream (near Chicago)... so maybe they have more of the 35mm stuff on hand than I thought, if it's stocked at the regional movie film depots.

Duncan

 

[wogster]

My roll arrived today, just one day later, shipped out of Carol Stream (near Chicago)... so maybe they have more of the 35mm stuff on hand than I thought, if it's stocked at the regional movie film depots.

Duncan

Or it means they have pushed it all out to the regional warehouses, to free up space in the central warehouse.

 

[silverhalides]

5285 is the same emulsion as S100S.

Robert, I heard from a Kodak Motion Picture Rep. back in April that the last two master rolls of Ektachrome were divided between the stills and motion picture divisions. One master roll went to each, but they were from the same emulsion. As McFortner and MDR have pointed out above, the Bell & Howell
perforations are only a problem if you are using a pin register system like the Wess mounts.

 

[destroya]

im really tempted to order this. won $500 at my monthly poker tourney so i have the cash. but is it really practical? figure its about $6 per roll 36 exp which is $1 more then velvia. so is it worth it? I would love to have a larger stash of slide film before it gets to $20 per roll.

 

[nickrapak]

If you think you can use all 72 rolls worth within the time it takes to expire, and you like E100VS over Velvia, I say go for it. Assuming the 10% annual price increase that's typical anymore, that $6 roll will be $9.66 in 5 years.

 

[destroya]

called Kodak. its all gone. so no more kodak slides for me, ever. what a shame -(

 

[Robert Liebermann]

Thanks for all the discussion on this apparently now only of historical interest thread!

Well, I bought the 400' roll back in the spring; it's still frozen in the can as I type... the guy had a second 400' roll at the time, which I was too poor to buy, and now I see it's discontinued and thus the 400' is probably all I'll get, though I emailed last week to ask (no reply yet). Will roll that up in the spring and shoot in interior Alaska and the Lake Superior country (in the fall). Will do this with even more reverence than my last Kodachrome...

This film discontinuation is getting very hard to keep up with... I've got some of the Rollei c41 and e6 ordered and will try that a little too... I still miss Orwochrom...

Good thing I've been pretty film-intensive for the last 30 years! I guess maybe one regret is I never got into motion picture stuff... Still like the ektar 100 and shooting as much of /that/ as I can while i can, but there's nothing like looking at your wet just developed 'chromes in full life-color.

Shoot.