Nan Goldin closure at Baltic, UK

[coigach]

They do have pedals though, mmmmmmmm pedals.

Ha ha

 

[DaveOttawa]

If anyone is still following this thread they might also be interested in this:

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[Andy K]

Elton John's Nan Golding photo judged 'not indecent'.

The British Crown Prosecution Service have judged the Nan Golding photograph owned by Elton John as 'not indecent'.

See: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/7063564.stm

At last some common sense prevails.

After all this unnecessary furore and cost to the taxpayer, I sincerely hope the politically-correct jobsworth who started all this loses their job.

 

[Ray Heath]

... I sincerely hope the politically-correct jobsworth who started all this loses their job.

g'day Andy

why should they lose their job?

may be your being a little harsh

shouldn't we constantly re-address these issues as surely there are somethings that are indecent?

doesn't society have a right and a need to re-evaluate such matters?

Ray

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

I've merged the new thread on this topic with the existing thread.

 

[Andy K]

g'day Andy

why should they lose their job?

may be your being a little harsh

shouldn't we constantly re-address these issues as surely there are somethings that are indecent?

doesn't society have a right and a need to re-evaluate such matters?

Ray

Address what issues? That childhood is innocent? Or that once someone with a twisted mind projects their perverted perception onto a picture it should no longer be seen?
To allow this to stand would be saying all those millions of parents with photos of their kids playing on the beach without clothes on, of their babies in the bath etc. should be labelled as criminal for taking the picture.
It is high time this sick PC view that nudity is automatically 'wrong' was slapped in the face with a wake up stick.

 

[Ray Heath]

Address what issues? That childhood is innocent? Or that once someone with a twisted mind projects their perverted view onto a picture it should no longer be seen?
To allow this to stand would be saying all those millions of parents with photos of their kids playing on the beach without clothes on, of their babies in the bath etc. should be labelled as criminal for taking the picture.
It is high time this sick PC view that nudity is automatically 'wrong' was slapped in the face with a wake up stick.

so you have nude images of yourself and family on display?

 

[Andy K]

so you have nude images of yourself and family on display?

Yes. There is a nude image of myself as a baby on my parents wall for anyone to see... but then my family are not small-minded prudes.

 

[Ray Heath]

Yes. There is a nude image of myself as a baby on my parents wall for anyone to see... but then my family are not small-minded prudes.

i imagine that very few people would actually see it

 

[Andy K]

It is in their entrance hall. Everyone who visits can see it.

 

[Ray Heath]

It is in their entrance hall. Everyone who visits can see it.

so it would be ok with them and you if thousands of people visited just to see that image

 

[Andy K]

Wouldn't bother me in the least, why would it? I think my parents' only objection would be having to constantly answer the door. In fact I imagine they would probably put it outside the front door to save their hall carpet.

 

[Ian Grant]

The British Crown Prosecution Service have judged the Nan Golding photograph owned by Elton John as 'not indecent'.

After all this unnecessary furore and cost to the taxpayer, I sincerely hope the politically-correct jobsworth who started all this loses their job.

Not sure about losing their job but an extremely severe reprimand at the very least.

It was a farce in 2001 and this time it shows gross negligence on the part of the gallery. How can any artist trust this organisation.

Ian

 

[jd callow]

After all this publicity the gallery can now go after the big fish like T. Kincaid and Wyland.

 

[Ian Leake]

Not sure about losing their job but an extremely severe reprimand at the very least.

It was a farce in 2001 and this time it shows gross negligence on the part of the gallery. How can any artist trust this organisation.

Ian

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but I can't see how this debacle can be anything other than bad news for the gallery. Why would any contemporary artist or collector want to entrust this place with their work?

 

[David A. Goldfarb]

After all this publicity the gallery can now go after the big fish like T. Kincaid and Wyland.

And have their works confiscated for crimes against the public taste!

 

[David H. Bebbington]

They say there's no such thing as bad publicity, but I can't see how this debacle can be anything other than bad news for the gallery. Why would any contemporary artist or collector want to entrust this place with their work?

The ITN teletext news service describes the work as having been "seized by the police as part of a child pornography probe". I think this is probably the exception to the rule that "there's no such thing as bad publicity", since the implication is "Sleazy pervs get away with it this time"!

 

[pentaxuser]

The CPS(Crown Prosecution Service) has now decided that it will not proceed with the case.

pentaxuser

 

[DaveOttawa]

Not sure about losing their job but an extremely severe reprimand at the very least.

It was a farce in 2001 and this time it shows gross negligence on the part of the gallery. How can any artist trust this organisation.

Ian

I'm pretty sure the gallery employee who dialled 999 should probably consider whether the arts field is really where they should be working, do they really have the judgement and values to be a positive asset to an arts institution?

 

[johnnywalker]

so it would be ok with them and you if thousands of people visited just to see that image

Somehow I have a hard time conjuring up an image of a block-long lineup of people outside of Andy's parent's house waiting to catch a look at little Andy's peepee.

 

[Ian Grant]

I'm pretty sure the gallery employee who dialled 999 should probably consider whether the arts field is really where they should be working, do they really have the judgement and values to be a positive asset to an arts institution?

I think you've summed it up particularly well there Dave.

Ian

 

[Andy K]

Somehow I have a hard time conjuring up an image of a block-long lineup of people outside of Andy's parent's house waiting to catch a look at little Andy's peepee.

Same here. Which makes this modern paranoia about people seeing pictures of naked babies all the more ridiculous. All it does is persecute innocent parents who want to record every moment of their baby's life and the detail of every memory.

 

[Ian Leake]

Same here. Which makes this modern paranoia about people seeing pictures of naked babies all the more ridiculous. All it does is persecute innocent parents who want to record every moment of their baby's life and the detail of every memory.

Of course if the CPS had decided the other way (which is not beyond the realms of possibilities in today's PC society), then everyone who had viewed Goldin's picture on the web, posted or emailed a link to it, or otherwise trafficked in it would have been guilty of a serious offence in the UK. And didn't someone say it's also in a book? So presumable book owners would have to tear out and shred the offending page...

 

[Ray Heath]

surely you guys don't believe that Andy's parents displaying his nude baby photo in the hallway is the same as Nan Goldin exploiting children by showing their images in a venue that attracts thousands of people

Andy, do you have children? if so, where are the naked images of your little girl? if they are innocent and you are ok with them, post a few

 

[Ian Leake]

Of course it's not the same thing. But Goldin's photo and child porn aren't the same thing either.

Just for the record, I find her photo particularly distasteful and unpleasant. But that doesn't make it porn. And it doesn't mean that the children were exploited either. The only people who can really judge that are the children themselves and possibly their parents.