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Hi,

is it possible to tell from the photo and this description what size it is?
The camera measures approximately 26 cm both vertically and horizontally.
The frosted glass measures approximately 16.5 cm vertically and 22 cm horizontally.
The diameter of the film holder insertion port on the camera's side, behind the frosted glass, is approximately 19 cm.


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Thanks
Jan
 
Possibly a Whole Plate camera...
 
No need to enlarge it, whole plate is a wonderful size for contact prints. I should use my WP cameras more often...

Yes, I don't have an enlarger that will enlarge above a 4x5 negative, but I have a WP camera. Also, contact printing rather simplifies your printing routine; a sheet of glass and a bare light bulb are inexpensive!
 
I know, contacts are nice. Now I have a 5x7 monorail, from which I usually enlarge to 40x50cm (16x20). But I would like something significantly lighter, for occasional outdoor use.
 
I know, contacts are nice. Now I have a 5x7 monorail, from which I usually enlarge to 40x50cm (16x20). But I would like something significantly lighter, for occasional outdoor use.

How deep are your pockets? Lightweight large format cameras are very expensive.
 
How deep are your pockets? Lightweight large format cameras are very expensive.

Well, I'll only use it occasionally, so I came across older Japanese cameras, like Nagaoka. I'd like to fit in around 500USD (but I'm from Europe).
 
Does the Nagaoka meet the definition of light weight? I am unfamiliar with that camera; I wonder if is in the light weight category?

My Korona WP camera is largely made of wood, but it's what I would call a medium weight camera.

Of course, it's all relative; if your monorail is very heavy, it might seem light!
 
Can you still get fresh whole plate film?

Can you find negative carrier for your enlarger? You can probably 3D print negative carriers for whole plate film, that fits your Durst?

Or you can find someone 3D print a 5x7 back for the Nagaoka.
 
Can you still get fresh whole plate film?

Yes, but it has to be through Ilford's Annual Special Order or somebody selling surplus from such an order (as far as I know).

Of course, you can cut-down any 8x10 sheet film to fit. I have cut down Arista Edu 8x10 in the past...

Ironically, it's most often cheaper to cut-down 8x10 than special order WP.
 
At one time, Nagaoka was considered the ultra-lightweight choice among wooden folding cameras. Now there are other lightweight options due to carbon fiber innovations, etc; but those tend to cost way more.

The maximum carrier size that will work in a Durst 138 is 5x7 or the metric equivalent. But it is possible to make an oversize supplemental stage and carrier for these - I even have an 8x10 cold light system atop one of my 138 chassis.
 
Does the Nagaoka meet the definition of light weight? I am unfamiliar with that camera; I wonder if is in the light weight category?

My Korona WP camera is largely made of wood, but it's what I would call a medium weight camera.

Of course, it's all relative; if your monorail is very heavy, it might seem light!
My current 5x7 monorail is 6kg+, so almost anything is a lightweight camera :smile: And Nagaoka 5x7 should weigh around 1.8kg.
At one time, Nagaoka was considered the ultra-lightweight choice among wooden folding cameras. Now there are other lightweight options due to carbon fiber innovations, etc; but those tend to cost way more.

The maximum carrier size that will work in a Durst 138 is 5x7 or the metric equivalent. But it is possible to make an oversize supplemental stage and carrier for these - I even have an 8x10 cold light system atop one of my 138 chassis.

Thanks. I'll keep looking for Nagaoka and similar then.
I know that Durst 138S can be modified, but I don't need to go with a format higher. I'll keep looking for 5x7, maybe consider 4x5.
 
I've seen a few Nagaoka 4x5" cameras that are wooden cameras, but painted/stained gray. That "color" seems to be the exception, however. They certainly stand out thanks to that, but definitely not as attractive as cherrywood or rosewood.
 
I've seen a few Nagaoka 4x5" cameras that are wooden cameras, but painted/stained gray. That "color" seems to be the exception, however. They certainly stand out thanks to that, but definitely not as attractive as cherrywood or rosewood.

Definitely. Anyway, this camera is already sold, so I'll keep monitoring it. I would like a 5x7, but those will probably be very rare.
 
I've never seen a painted Nagaoka - just the normal clear finished mahogany ones. There was still a legacy website up about Nagaoka last year, that is, a biographical site with a lot of specific information about his career as a camera maker.
 
Téměř jistě se jedná o „celou desku“, někdy také nazývanou „plná deska“, tj. 6,5"x8,5" (cca 165 x 216 mm). Někde jsem četl, že tyto staré filmové rozměry se v Japonsku používaly až donedávna. Možná proto jsou tak často k vidění v různých aukcích...
 

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Téměř jistě se jedná o „celou desku“, někdy také nazývanou „plná deska“, tj. 6,5"x8,5" (cca 165 x 216 mm). Někde jsem četl, že tyto staré filmové rozměry se v Japonsku používaly až donedávna. Možná proto jsou tak často k vidění v různých aukcích...

Díky za potvrzení. No hledám dál. Kdybych zatoužil po větším negativu, můžu 18x24/8x10" fotit na svém kardanu...
 
Well, I'll only use it occasionally, so I came across older Japanese cameras, like Nagaoka. I'd like to fit in around 500USD (but I'm from Europe).

the one pictured in your first comment is somewhat uncommon: it has a spring back for film holder, but uncertain what kind of dimension, Matuo or Rittreck are common, Toyo are very uncommon.

With back for glass plates holders, they cost very little when bought on Yahoo auctions site. Some proxy buying services have reasonable fees and collect VAT for EU countries, so no extra processing fees.
All my whole plate gear is bought on Yahoo and on Mercari: cameras, backs, holders, lenses, tripod adapters.

Spring back like the one on this Nagaoka are not so common but cheap, bail backs more common on latest camera sets but also more expensive, Toyo back and holders are very uncommon.
It is very easy to make or adapts backs for this kind of cameras, no lathe, no woodworking bench, no plastic printer needed, just simple materials and basic tools

Nagaoka and Tachihara have retaining hooks for the back differents but not much, than the most common kind as in the Konishi, Okuhara and many more no name or brand plate gone cameras.
I have an account on largeformatphotography forum, and the interest for, and in fact just the knowledge about these cameras and related gear is almost nihil.
Spent more time acquiring Japanese vocabulary and language structures in order to be able to search auction sites and literature, than searching for the gear.

if you are a bit tinkerer, Japanese whole plate is the cheapest gear in large format niche. Cheaper than 4x5. These days even FKD 13x18 can cost some money (unless you buy in Russia).

For film I cut from Fomapan 100 and 200 in 18x24, for Retropan from 8x10 as FOMA doesn't make it in 18x24. I also cut from 18x24 xray and I still have a big roll 24cm x 76m of AGFA aerial Aviphot PE200 to cut from.

I have two Japanese whole plate wooden cameras, one with a simple spring back like in your illustration, weight ~2,6kg. Another with an adapted Toyo bail back ~2,9kg.

I can pack a camera with Toyo back and four holders, couple lenses, a changing bag with a wire for tent shape, changing bag is also used as dark bag, couple boards for the lenses, tripod, the very light and small Calcu-Light exposure meter with 10° addon and ground glass spot probe, all inside a cabin luggage sized bag under 10kg or the combo cabin bag + small bag under front seat, 10kg/12kg total, common allowance with several airlines in Europe (Air Baltic, Norwegian, Wizzair, Rossiya, etc).

one of my camera with three kinds of backs and holders, first the adapted Toyo, then a custom bail back I made for the Rittreck kind of holders, last the old back for wooden holders:

 
I also have sets of sheaths for film, to use with the wooden plate holders. Last, I cut plates from cheap 2mm float glass sheets, and apply FOMA emulsion. Another way to enjoy these cameras if you get a kit camera+wooden holder, very common and cheap on Yahoo.
 
There is a 5x7 Intrepid camera that is light and fairly inexpensive. Probably cheaper than a very good condition Nagaoka or Ikea Anba light weight 5x7 as these are rare.
 
Intrepid....I had an older 4x5 in my hand and it didn't inspire much confidence in me. And the 5x7 looks similar. Sure, it's very light and cheap, but....
 
I'm not sure if it would meet your needs, but I am looking forward to getting a 5x7 "point and shoot" camera from Custom Camera Builders. I assembled a Sinar Handy "clone" and happened upon an eBay listing for lens cones. What a game changer that was. I have cones for 47mm, 65mm, and 90mm. Very nice 3D printing. The best I've seen. No warping or anything like I have seen elsewhere.

They offered a Kickstarter for 6x17, 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10 cameras. It was successfully funded and they are working on the last of their fullfillments.

My camera is still in production, but I will post info and photos when I get it and use it.

If you tend to use, or want to use view camera movements, that won't work for you. Also, I don't know the weight yet. I am assuming it will be considerably lighter than a monorail. I may be wrong.

For me, movements haven't been a thing I use much if at all. I have a Sinar F and a Sinar P for that.

It's interesting to read about full plate cameras. I never really looked into that.

Now that I see that the Intrepid wasn't suitable, maybe this isn't either.

Good luck in your search!
 
In my experience, 3D-printed large format cameras are mostly suitable for ultra wide angle lens and pinholes that require no focusing or zone focusing. For example: 65mm on my WillTravel 4x5 with helicoid focusing, as well as Chinese 4x5 pinhole camera and Titan 8x10 pinhole camera. They are incredibly lightweight and super fast to operate as Point'n Shoot cameras. Fun cameras to use.

However, once you use non wide angle lens for large format they are no longer practical. They would become comically bulky with the longer cones, even if their weight is still fairly low. And typical focusing helicoid might not have enough travel for focusing the normal/longer lenses either.

In addition, there is such a satisfaction of using a finely crafted wooden folding field camera. They might not be as light as the 3D printed ones, but they are more compact for travel and transportation. As a matter of fact, I just ordered a Korona View 5x7 wooden field camera, after converting a 13x18 tailboard camera to use 5x7 film holders.
 
I totally agree regarding wide lenses and 3D printed cameras.

Despite this, I ordered my 5x7 with a cone for a 210mm lens. I'll see how that works out.

5x7 is entirely new for me. It will be a fun exploration.

P&S implies a carefree approach to photography. I still expect to take care with my photos, but I can easily transport it, with support gear on my ebike.

No matter what happens, I'll be in my happy place when taking photos.
 
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