My experience with FujiFilm Darkless

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What I was going to do, was once I got used to using Darkless, buy my own chemicals and do TMAX (for B&W I shoot TMAX almost exclusively.)

From what I read in some people's blogs on this product, it's not the kind of thing that you would expect to get a serious result.

I don't know where you are in Japan exactly, but to get a basic film-developing kit is not too costly at all. And Fuji photo chemicals are everywhere and so cheap that you can't miss.
 

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I don't know where you are in Japan exactly, but to get a basic film-developing kit is not too costly at all. And Fuji photo chemicals are everywhere and so cheap that you can't miss.

Really? I had to ship C-41 developer to a chap in Japan, because he couldn't get his hands on it.

If anyone wants me to ship hard-to-get photo supplies (chemicals, tanks, reels, etc...) to out-of-the-way places, I would be glad to do so.
 
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I guess I should explain my reasons fully. When I was in college I took a photo class and we developed all our own film. Since getting back into film this March I've been wanting to do it again.

I've been looking for the EASIEST way to do it. I'm not a chemist and science was my worst subject in school. The Darkless kit is cheap, has everything I need and is quick. If it doesn't work properly I'll drop it - and be only out $10. That's fine with me. If it works and gets the results I want, what's wrong with keeping it? I'd be saving myself a lot of money, and that's never a bad thing.
 

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But it's not working and at least off of ebay you can get a proper developing tank, maybe even with a darkbag thrown in, for about that price and it'll last you a lifetime and you won't have these problems. You're wasting film at the moment - that's not saving money.

Do yourself a favour, pick a developer and learn how to use them. I failed many a maths class and I somehow manage. There's no need to know any chemistry as long as you follow directions on the packets. Developer... stopbath is somewhat optional as you can just use water in most instances, fix, wash, photoflo optional depends on if you get water spots on your film due to hardwater mostly. D-76 is fine, it's a powder, you gradually add it to warm water, let it cool to 20C and you're practically done except for diluting it down. Most rapid fixes come in liquid form so all you have to do is pour in the correct amount into water and you're done.
 

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Really? I had to ship C-41 developer to a chap in Japan, because he couldn't get his hands on it.

I thought you're doing B&W film developling, although I understand the Darkless kit allows you to do the color processing as well.

What I was going to suggest was that in Japan, in average, for 4,500 yen, (or around 40 USD) you can get a new two-reel plastic developing tank (comes with two 35mm reels) made by AP from any camera store you go to: Yodobashi, Bic, Kitamura, etc. This tank is almost the same as Patterson's one, which you might (or might not) be more familiar with. But In the Japanese market, Patterson products are usually pricier and harder to find new these days. The official importer for Patterson has stopped carrying the stuff since last year.

For B&W photo chemicals, let's say, Fuji SPD, which is a very general film developer, for 1L mix, is less than 200 yen per package. It comes in power, so you mix with hot water (and let it sit for overnight and use it). If you want Kodak's I quart mix of something like D76, you can get it also. It's a little more expensive, but not that much more.

You can use any fix, but perhaps the one with hardner in it. Fuji has a liquid type of this kind that's for a 3L mix, and is, I forgot exactly, but less than 1,000 yen a bottle. You can get Kodak and/or Ilford fix of a similar kind with a harder in a separate bottle, etc.

You need Hypo-Clear, which if you buy Fuji's powder stuff, it's like 50 yen for a 3L mix. And for photoflo, you can use Fuji's Driwel, which does the same job and costs less than 300 yen per bottle, but you won't run out of this so often because you dilute it so much.

You know it depends on how you use the chemicals, and you can save/reuse them more than once to be economical and eco-friendly. Meanwhile when I read the comments on the Darkless kit somewhere else, I had an impression that it was indeed more costly and inefficient than the regular film-developing kit. I just wanted to point that out basically...

For little stuff such as plastic containers and timers, etc, you can check out any 100-yen shop (the equivalent of Dollar Store) and you'll be shocked that how many items you can actually buy there to use. If not, go to DIY stores and find what you need.
 
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I've been looking for the EASIEST way to do it. I'm not a chemist and science was my worst subject in school. The Darkless kit is cheap, has everything I need and is quick. If it doesn't work properly I'll drop it - and be only out $10. That's fine with me. If it works and gets the results I want, what's wrong with keeping it? I'd be saving myself a lot of money, and that's never a bad thing.


If you read Japanese, Google Fuji Darkless in Japanese, and you will find a bunch of blogs that show the results. And what's obvious is that they (the bloggers/photo amateurs) are going through exactly the same thing that you've been going through. Maybe they have better ideas on how to handle the darkless kit than us who don't do use it.

If I were you, I would ask them questions on their blogs. :smile:
 

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That has to be the one of the least intelligent statements I've seen in a while: If it's an "emergency" then that means you have a shot-in-a-lifetime.

Since we have established the roll contains irreplaceable images, then why risk it with a developing method that has a high probability of ruining that shot?

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I gave it another shot this morning and the roll I did came out quite well. I'm going to do a few more rolls and use up the rest of the kit, then give up on the whole Darkless thing, however.
 
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Reviving an old thread. Bought a big stash of darkroom stuffs and found this among them. Unused. Missing the transparent cannister. Willing to pay for it if someone is parting with it?
 

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