More Vivian Maier

[Sirius Glass]

Have it all thrown on your funeral pyre.

No, that adds to global warming.

 

[Pieter12]

No, that adds to global warming.

I'll be dead. To hell with global warming!

 

[Pioneer]

No, that adds to global warming.

Or it might help with global cooling!

 

[snusmumriken]

Vivian forfeited her lockers (there were at least 3) in 2007 and they were all bought up by one business that buys storage lockers and flips the contents for profit (like storage wars) he new there were collectors of old photos so he bundled them up and sold them in lots, primarily to Ron Slattery, Randy Prow and John Maloof, made around $1500 on them. It gets a bit sketchy for the next 2 years, theres a little selling between collectors. Then in 2009 Vivian goes for a walk slips and bumps her head and dies a few weeks later. Then the photos come out of the wood work as they thought if they had the negatives then they thought they had copy right. Im not sure whether it was Ron or Randy that went to court over it and lost, then skipped to Canada. The copy right issue is why the galleries couldn't show the photos. Maloof suddenly got really good at finding people and found a Maier in a little village in France, paid a second cousin a few thousand dollars for copy right as being the closest living relative. Made a self promotional documentary to gain interest and proceeded to show in galleries. This became another law suite as it wasn't defined that the cousin was the closest living relative, seems she had more. The state ended up taking control of copy rights and made a "secret deal" with Maloof that allowed him a share in the profits and covers him against any legal prosecution. Since then the major other players have come on board to.
This biography is written by a marketing analyzer with no prior credible writing abilities, so you should factor that in when reading the book.
The sad fact is theres enough information out there that someone credible could put together a reasonably accurate portrayal of the woman and then we could get a handle on what she was on about. Unlikely to happen now as it probably doesnt fit the current marketing of her picture.

Why do you want to discredit this biography before it is even available to read?

 

[awty]

Why do you want to discredit this biography before it is even available to read?

The books available, cost is $19.99.

 

[snusmumriken]

The books available, cost is $19.99.

Ah, OK. Not available in the UK yet. Are you sure that's actually available to have and hold and cherish, or just to pre-order? I have had one on pre-order with Amazon since September, and the delivery date is now estimated to be February!

I've just checked the link posted by the OP of this thread, and it looks to me as though the ebook is available now, but the hardcover is pre-order only.

So now I'm interested to know who on this the forum has actually read the ebook, and what they thought of it?

 

[logan2z]

I have had one on pre-order with Amazon since September, and the delivery date is now estimated to be February!

Amazon here in the US is showing that the hardcover is going to be released, tomorrow, December 7th.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/198216672X/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RKC5V0NP8C973ZHJVASM

 

[snusmumriken]

Amazon here in the US is showing that the hardcover is going to be released, tomorrow, December 7th.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/198216672X/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RKC5V0NP8C973ZHJVASM

I think that's the Kindle edition. It says that on the Amazon UK website too.

 

[logan2z]

I think that's the Kindle edition. It says that on the Amazon UK website too.

Click the link, it's the hardcover.

 

[snusmumriken]

Click the link, it's the hardcover.

Sorry, I should have looked. Here's the UK link: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vivian-Mai...=vivian+maier+developed&qid=1638780813&sr=8-2
Frustrating. Ship must be going via New Zealand.

Still fascinates me how this thread ran to 14 pages with no evidence that any contributor had read the book yet!

 

[Don_ih]

Still fascinates me how this thread ran to 14 pages with no evidence that any contributor had read the book yet!

The majority of this thread was not about the book.

 

[snusmumriken]

The majority of this thread was not about the book.

Very true.

 

[Duceman]

The government doesn't get your estate if you die without heirs. I am not familiar with the exact law (I'm sure it varies state by state), but your estate It might be auctioned off and they would get what money is gained from that after your debts an obligations are paid.

The bolded above.... that's essentially how it works. Unless there is something special, or land involved which the State can use. Dying intestate with no heirs, in most states (if not all) within the United States, the estate escheats to the State. So yes, the government does get your estate. But that doesn't happen all that often (as usually someone will have an heir, which is generally discovered through the probate process).

If you have assets and die intestate and there are relatives, then it can be a big mess.

It's called probate. Happens more often than not.

 

[Duceman]

One does not have to account for copyright protection in their will.

Only inasmuch as one has to account for any property that they have. In the United States, copyright is an intangible asset and can be assigned or willed just like anything else. If someone does have a will, and copyrights are not mentioned, any attorney with even the least bit of acumen will include a "catch-all" clause, something to the effect of, "...and any property not specifically mentioned herein goes to [insert party or parties]." So, if there is a will, then more likely than not, copyright will be taken care of one way or the other. If there is no will, one's copyright passes just like any other asset--assuming there are no local laws explicit to the contrary.

 

[BrianShaw]

Only inasmuch as one has to account for any property that they have. In the United States, copyright is an intangible asset and can be assigned or willed just like anything else. If someone does have a will, and copyrights are not mentioned, any attorney with even the least bit of acumen will include a "catch-all" clause, something to the effect of, "...and any property not specifically mentioned herein goes to [insert party or parties]." So, if there is a will, then more likely than not, copyright will be taken care of one way or the other. If there is no will, one's copyright passes just like any other asset--assuming there are no local laws explicit to the contrary.

Yes.

 

[MattKing]

For clarity, "heirs" means heirs at law.
Here is a chart which shows how intestate estates (estates with no Will) are distributed - and therefore heirs at law are determined - in BC's new "simplified" regime.:

As you can see, heirs at law can be extremely distant relatives.

 

[Sirius Glass]

For clarity, "heirs" means heirs at law.
Here is a chart which shows how intestate estates (estates with no Will) are distributed - and therefore heirs at law are determined - in BC's new "simplified" regime.:
View attachment 292658
As you can see, heirs at law can be extremely distant relatives.

Now we are down to square pegs in round holes. Thank you.

 

[Arthurwg]

Amazon here in the US is showing that the hardcover is going to be released, tomorrow, December 7th.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/198216672X/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_glt_fabc_RKC5V0NP8C973ZHJVASM

A day that shall live in infamy!

 

[faberryman]

A day that shall live in infamy!

Why? Did you get an advance copy or something? Is their new blockbuster information you would like to share?

 

[Arthurwg]

No, actually I was making a joke about the date. FDR called Dec. 7 "a date which will live in infamy" when he asked Congress to declare war on Japan following Pearl Harbor.

 

[Duceman]

Why? Did you get an advance copy or something? Is their new blockbuster information you would like to share?

I'm sure tomorrow being the 80th anniversary of the attack on Pearl Harbor (a day which FDR famously said would live in infamy) has nothing to do with his comment.

 

[Duceman]

No, actually I was making a joke about the date. FDR called Dec. 7 "a date which will live in infamy" when he asked Congress to declare war on Japan following Pearl Harbor.

Looks like we posted essentially the same thing at the exact same moment.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

The bolded above.... that's essentially how it works. Unless there is something special, or land involved which the State can use. Dying intestate with no heirs, in most states (if not all) within the United States, the estate escheats to the State. So yes, the government does get your estate. But that doesn't happen all that often (as usually someone will have an heir, which is generally discovered through the probate process).
It's called probate. Happens more often than not.

So if someone dies intestate with no relative and no heirs, then the state gets ownership of the copyrights?

 

[Duceman]

So if someone dies intestate with no relative and no heirs, then the state gets ownership of the copyrights?

Generally speaking, yes. But it really depends on the locale. In the United States, ownership is dictated by 17 U.S.C. §201 et seq. For example, 17 U.S.C. §201(d)(1) states: The ownership of a copyright may be transferred in whole or in part by any means of conveyance or by operation of law, and may be bequeathed by will or pass as personal property by the applicable laws of intestate succession. (emphasis added) So, again, it depends upon applicable intestate laws.

Long and short of it is, see an attorney and draft up an appropriate will if you are concerned about your copyrights.

 

[MattKing]

So if someone dies intestate with no relative and no heirs, then the state gets ownership of the copyrights?

Yes, in all of the jurisdictions I have any familiarity with.
I don't know what the rules are in the Civil Law world (e.g. France).
The intestate succession rules are there to essentially do everything possible to keep the deceased's property - including copyrights - out of the hands of the government.