more expensive the gear the better the photographer?

[NedL]

If you want to plink at tincans....

Why waste perfectly good pinhole cameras

( I'm 54 in a few months too.. couldn't hit the side of a barn. I like wide angle pinhole cameras.. )

 

[scheimfluger_77]

Why waste perfectly good pinhole cameras

( I'm 54 in a few months too.. couldn't hit the side of a barn. I like wide angle pinhole cameras.. )

No no no, think of them as multi-pinhole devices, allowing for unique and wonderful blended images.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

I'm 53, 54 in a couple months.

I'm 53 but hands shaky... neurological thing.

 

[Bill Burk]

The joke was: If Bill wants to be more careful of what he writes... he shouldn't write, "I need to watch what I say", because he didn't say anything and if he did he couldn't see it. Even an oscilloscopic rendering is a visually abstract interpretation of sound... not the sound itself. However, I suppose he is watching what he's writing.

I have two oscilloscopes, so I could watch what I say in that respect. But you are right. I didn't "say" anything so even if the oscilloscope was on, and connected to a microphone in front of me... all I would have seen as I watched whatever was happening at the time... would be a few bumpy spikes in an otherwise flat trace.

Now if I were to pay closer attention to what I was typing, truth and sarcasm would be harder to distinguish.

 

[removed account4]

I have two oscilloscopes, so I could watch what I say in that respect. But you are right. I didn't "say" anything so even if the oscilloscope was on, and connected to a microphone in front of me... all I would have seen as I watched whatever was happening at the time... would be a few bumpy spikes in an otherwise flat trace.

Now if I were to pay closer attention to what I was typing, truth and sarcasm would be harder to distinguish.

there is supposed to be a sarcasm emoji ... sarcasm seems to go WAY over people's heads.
you know, like TV shows have a laugh track an emoji would remind people as well ..

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

I have two oscilloscopes, so I could watch what I say in that respect. But you are right. I didn't "say" anything so even if the oscilloscope was on, and connected to a microphone in front of me... all I would have seen as I watched whatever was happening at the time... would be a few bumpy spikes in an otherwise flat trace.

Now if I were to pay closer attention to what I was typing, truth and sarcasm would be harder to distinguish.

You do know I'm just messin' with ya', Bill. Right?

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

there is supposed to be a sarcasm emoji ... sarcasm seems to go WAY over people's heads.
you know, like TV shows have a laugh track an emoji would remind people as well ..

Sarcasm?? WTF?! No one on APUG is EVER sarcastic!!... no, I mean... ... no, I mean... no, I mean:munch:

 

[NedL]

I'm 53 but hands shaky... neurological thing.

That makes 3 of us 53's right here in this thread... geez I think you should change your user name ONF, I was imagining you about twice my age . If someone plunks a can and sends it to me, I promise to upload a multi-pinhole blended special ....

 

[Bill Burk]

You do know I'm just messin' with ya', Bill. Right?

Yeah we're practically family so it didn't take long to figure out.

What took a while was I knew I had a print with the oscilloscope in it... I have to prove I'm not lyin' about at least one thing...

And of course it was in the bottom box.

 

[removed account4]

im still looking for a cross that has the initials j.m.j. on it

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

So John, which 4x5 silver bullet should I get?

Linhof TK45
Linhof Kardan RE
Linhof Kardan GT
Arca F-Metric
Arca M
Sinar P2
Toyo VX125

Or should I just buy them all and be done with it.

You didn't ask me but I say get the harem... and then add more. BTW, you need to add more Toyos... neglected harems need more Toyos to keep them happy.

 

[removed account4]

Haha

All thoughts welcome. I'm gonna need one of them lines of credit people talk about.

brigitte just called me,
she offered me a low interest credit card, if you want
the next time she calls i can give her your number...

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I'm 53 but hands shaky... neurological thing.

Put the rifle on sandbags, move it around until the crosshairs ore on target. Pull the trigger by squeezing with your thumb on the back of the trigger guard and your forefinger on the trigger. Of course the gun I'm talking about weighs 14+ pounds - but I had a friend with Parkinson's shooting the primers out of 12Ga shotshells at 50yds this way.

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

Put the rifle on sandbags, move it around until the crosshairs ore on target. Pull the trigger by squeezing with your thumb on the back of the trigger guard and your forefinger on the trigger. Of course the gun I'm talking about weighs 14+ pounds - but I had a friend with Parkinson's shooting the primers out of 12Ga shotshells at 50yds this way.

I'll give that a try. My Savage Axis .223 Rem and .30-06 Sprg aren't bad but they'll never measure up to the best. They're certainly better than I'll ever be again though. They can do .5 MOA or better.

Speaking of inexpensive gear... one half of one degree MOA is very decent even for fairly pricey rifles and one can buy a Savage Axis for $400 or less. Cameras are often the same regarding cost vs. performance but lenses aren't necessarily so. I can't shoot a rifle worth a darn anymore but cameras and lenses are different because they rest on a tripod and we don't touch them at all during exposure.

 

[removed account4]

Did you also win a cruise?

no, but she did offer me a discount on a timeshare weekend in florida
air line tix anywhere in the usa,

 

[Bill Burk]

So John, which 4x5 silver bullet should I get?

Linhof TK45
Linhof Kardan RE
Linhof Kardan GT
Arca F-Metric
Arca M
Sinar P2
Toyo VX125

Or should I just buy them all and be done with it.

What? No lenses?

I think we can come up with a list that will set you back.

 

[Bill Burk]

It isn't hard to imagine this has been discussed before...

But while searching for Andreas Feininger, I ran across this LuLa thread that's spot-on-topic.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?topic=23009.0

 

[removed account4]

bill
thanks for the link!
but she has it all wrong,
it is 10% discerning eye and 90% equipment!
we all know that ...

 

[removed account4]

Actually I've got all the lenses I need. Even if I didn't, I'd be screwed anyway since Schneider left the business, and Rodenstock only makes 3 focal lengths.

you need to sell all the lenses you have and just buy stuff that says "fine art" or xxLL infront of the name
and if you can find a cooke sf lens, and a hypieron WITH THE FAN ( and blower ) you might be upto speed ..
don't forget after you buy all those lenses, you will want to buy a copal press shutter and stock up on as many
gclaron cells as possible to make yourself a modern casket set because you will probably come to the conclusion that
all the lenses you bought probably are too heavy, or not flat field enough or something else ...
if you an xenophon let me know.

 

[cowanw]

if you an xenophon let me know.

Now you have got me. What does a Greek Historian and Socrates expert have to do with this?

 

[removed account4]

Now you have got me. What does a Greek Historian and Socrates expert have to do with this?

behind the lens filter holder

Can't get any fine art XXXLLLs because Schneider ain't making them no more. Too bad because I thought it would be cool to make a reading lamp out of one.

Good point I definitely need the Hyperiogon with the blower. But since I can only buy brand new stuff I'd have to find one that had never been touched. On the other hand maybe I could buy a nice Roots blower and attach it to a Super Angulon.

The one thing I'm missing is a concave front element.

you are getting there, but slowly,
you probably can get a deal on barely used ... mint condition NIB sort of optics like you want,
or at least an overpriced chinese made knockoff. ive got some connections on alibaba i can coax
i also have set of some concave front elements ... what focal lengths do you need ?
i can't sell them cheap though, i am working on making steam punk spectacles with them
and they sell for even more than the graflex/graphic flash post did 10-12years ago when
star wars fans were making light sabers.

 

[Bill Burk]

Actually I've got all the lenses I need. Even if I didn't, I'd be screwed anyway since Schneider left the business, and Rodenstock only makes 3 focal lengths.

Are you sure they are good enough? Do they have the good bokeh? In case you find the topic baffling, this article shows "Poor" "Neutral" and "Good" so you can tell at a glance.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/bokeh.htm

 

[Old-N-Feeble]

behind the lens filter holder



you are getting there, but slowly,
you probably can get a deal on barely used ... mint condition NIB sort of optics like you want,
or at least an overpriced chinese made knockoff. ive got some connections on alibaba i can coax
i also have set of some concave front elements ... what focal lengths do you need ?
i can't sell them cheap though, i am working on making steam punk spectacles with them
and they sell for even more than the graflex/graphic flash post did 10-12years ago when
star wars fans were making light sabers.

Ya' mean the ones still selling for $150-300 today?

 

[removed account4]

Ya' mean the ones still selling for $150-300 today?

yup ...
and if you try to confuse me i might be able to sell the one i have for $40 ..

 

[E. von Hoegh]

I'll give that a try. My Savage Axis .223 Rem and .30-06 Sprg aren't bad but they'll never measure up to the best. They're certainly better than I'll ever be again though. They can do .5 MOA or better.

Speaking of inexpensive gear... one half of one degree MOA is very decent even for fairly pricey rifles and one can buy a Savage Axis for $400 or less. Cameras are often the same regarding cost vs. performance but lenses aren't necessarily so. I can't shoot a rifle worth a darn anymore but cameras and lenses are different because they rest on a tripod and we don't touch them at all during exposure.

I'd hang on to that '06, if you don't it will beat you up pretty bad. You can get away with it with the .223 though. I bought that .22/250 I mentioned - with the Unertl scope - for $280. I figured I was getting a steal of a deal on the scope and a free rifle. The scope's worth around $700 used.