Monthly Shooting Assignment - March and April 2014 - SALT

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Hi Thomas,
Would love to see your images for the magazine: what and were will they be published?

And take you're time for viewing and choosing the overall winner for this MSA. It was a fun theme and I've seen many very nice images. One specific image keeps coming up for me and would be my winner. I won't tell which one yet, since I don't want to influence you, but I wonder if you'll choose the same. I'll let you know after you announced the winner.

Here in Minnesota there are currently 52 minutes left of April. I have a commitment of delivering 22 perfected print scans to a magazine for publishing by tomorrow night, and I only have about 10 finished so far. So today and tomorrow I don't have a chance to review all of the entries. I'm letting you know up front, so you know why this won't happen until the weekend, most likely.

Again, thanks to all of you who participated! I kind of wish I had had time to participate with a blind entry myself, of course not competing, but just trying it out to see if something interesting could be created.
My leans are heavily towards the artistic side of things, but I will attempt to be as unbiased and objective as I possibly can when I review and decide on a winner of this round of Monthly Shooting Assignments.
 
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I'm very sorry for not announcing anything yet. I've been sick and haven't felt right to look at the pictures with a clouded mind. Soon.
 

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I'm very sorry for not announcing anything yet. I've been sick and haven't felt right to look at the pictures with a clouded mind. Soon.
Know what it's like to be "under the weather"! :sad: Feel better soon...
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Hi Thomas,
Would love to see your images for the magazine: what and were will they be published?

Here's a link. You may purchase a copy if you want to see all the photographs. Thanks for asking!

http://blur.by/1uxjX0e

I am feeling well enough that I should've able to look at the March/April pictures tonight.
 

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I am feeling well enough that I should've able to look at the March/April pictures tonight.

In the meantime, you can all watch this medieval helpdesk from Norway (with english subtitles) and hold on to your socks .....
It's all about the introduction of analogue software (AKA: a book) in the good old dark ages.
Don't worry, no digital stuff.
(I show it to colleagues sometimes before introducing a new system at work)

[video=youtube_share;pQHX-SjgQvQ]http://youtu.be/pQHX-SjgQvQ[/video]
 
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OK, people of the MSA. It is time to look at all of the pictures and have a little discussion about all of the photographs. You all put in effort and tried to come up with unique and interesting photograph, in a topic that was not easy to navigate.

Here are some notes and observations about each photograph:

MSA GALLERY SUBMISSIONS:

March 5th - StoneNYC ‘Himalayan Rock Salt on butcher block’

A narrow depth of field representation of salt crystals. To me it represents a fairly literal representation of what cooking salt can be, but with a twist that it’s rare artisanal salt, showing us that StoneNYC has good taste and appreciates those finer nuances in life. When I see rare items like these I think about where the item comes from, who collected it, packaged it, etc. A nice photograph. Film scan.

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March 13th - NedL ‘Pinhole Salt’

A macro pinhole photograph of hypo salt crystals made on paper negative. A portrait of photographic application, what salts used in the traditional darkroom process look like up close, in an interesting way. It’s certainly a photograph that is fairly unique, which gives points in the creativity account. It seems that the image has not been inverted to positive in the scan. Paper negative scan.
(Inverted version shown in thread)

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March 13th - TheToadMen ‘Tasting Salt (MSA - March 2014)’

A close-up portrait of a cow licking its nose, with digital negative used to make a salt print. Because a digital negative was used we are outside the parameters of APUG, unfortunately, and the photograph, while interesting and inventive (first contributor to use salt print as medium), is disqualified. :smile: This is a shame as it’s a nicely done print that would have gone quite high on my list. Salt print from digital negative.

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April 4th - Bertus ‘Salt (MSA salt)’

A photograph of road salt in a bucket. The crystals themselves are interesting and look as though they have been there a while, drawing moisture from the air. Yet another topic for the broad assignment of ‘salt’. Very nice printing. Silver gelatin print from enlarged negative.

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April 4th - Bertus ‘Salt (MSA salt)’

A portrait of a big pile of road salt. Beautiful texture, and the brightness from the window in the top left corner adds great contrast to the pitch black shadows of the wall. Well handled, slightly abstract. Silver gelatin print from enlarged negative.

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April 10th - NedL ‘Huichica Salt Pond’

A photograph of reeds in a pond, with a very tranquil feel. The lack of detail and fairly stark quality of the photograph makes for a beautiful minimalistic presentation, which forces me to study the shapes of the reeds, eyes wandering from left to right, around to the foreground and begin at the left again. I can’t help but think it would look very interesting rotated 90 degrees clockwise, making for a good head scratcher. From a technical standpoint it’s noteworthy that water from the pond was used to coat the paper. Pinhole paper negative, contact printed to hand coated salt paper to print.

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April 17th - barbara ann ‘Salt-1 MSA’

Another fairly literal representation of the topic at hand. Nicely constructed. Has almost a graffiti feel to it. 35mm negative, commercial print.

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April 17th - barbara ann ‘Salt-2 MSA’

A portrait of a whiskey tumbler full of salt. Nice detail and light in the photograph. 35mm negative, commercial print.

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April 17th - barbara ann ‘Salt-3 MSA’

Photograph of a bowl of salt crystals dissolving in water. Slight abstract quality that raises a few questions of what is going on. I love the light from the background, and along the top edge of the bowl. 35mm negative, commercial print.

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April 17th - barbara ann ‘Salt-4 MSA’

Portrait of Morton Ice Cream salt crystals. Beautiful glowing light from the salt crystals, appearing as though they are half way dissolved in liquid. 35mm negative, commercial print.

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April 26th - Heinz ‘MSA Salt, Polaroid T-54 in 545i Holder’

Still life of a tomato sliced in half, salt crystals and what looks like small ice cubes. Heavy emphasis on the technical process using expired Polaroid instant film and a discussion surrounding the ‘New 55’ film. Nice soft and diffuse lighting in the still life. Polaroid T-54 direct positive film.

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April 27th - Heinz ‘MSA ‘Salt’ image only version’

Same as above but with just the image area of the Polaroid picture scanned.

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April 30th - Heinz ‘Nano-Salt’

A photograph of a 7,500,000 scale model of chlorine atoms, which are part of the make-up of salts. An interesting concept which examines the scale of the constituent parts of some of the chemicals that make up our photo chemistry are put together. Polaroid T-54 direct positive film.

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March 3rd - jeffreyg ‘Untitled’

Still life of salt shakers. Dark featureless blacks surround salt shakers in shining chrome. They look like they are made of silver, possibly vintage. Interesting collection. Process unknown.

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March 23rd - alex gard ‘Antarctic sea-ice’

Landscape photograph of Antarctic sea ice, which consists to some degree of frozen salt water. Beautiful depth in an arid and barren landscape. The global interest of climate change is at center here, something that is important to educate the world about. It’s a beautiful landscape, full of rich texture and wonderful contrast. 4x5 negative, remaining process unknown.

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April 4th - Bertus - ‘Salt storage for Road sliperiness’

Three more photographs of road salt from Bertus, in addition to those in the MSA gallery. A closer look at the salt mountain (it’s really difficult to tell the scale of the subject, which is a wonderful quality), a close-up of bags of salt that must have gotten wet, where salt brine leaked out and formed small stalagmites, and finally plastic wrapped salt bags. Silver gelatin prints.
 
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The winner is: NedL ‘Huichica Salt Pond’

I found the print to be such a beautiful thing, and the creative way of using the subject matter of the photograph to make the print, along with making a salt print for the final presentation made a big impression on me. I'd love to own a copy of that photograph.

Honorable mention: alex gard ‘Antarctic sea-ice’ for bringing a photograph from such an unusual place, and indirectly spawning thoughts in my head about climate change, in my opinion the most important topic in our life time.

Honorable mention: TheToadMen ‘Tasting Salt (MSA - March 2014)’ - it really is a charming picture, and I confess that even though I would have chosen NedL's photograph as a winner anyway, I think it might have been appropriate to do an ANALOG internegative as opposed to a digital one. Anywhere else that would have been totally cool by me, but APUG is definitely analog.

Honorable mention: Bertus, for all of the hard work put in. I know how time consuming it is to make five finished silver gelatin prints. Nice job. Beautiful prints.
 
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Thomas - wow! this is really a careful evaluation - thanks for addressing all the images so much in detail - a very interesting read!

For me ‘Huichica Salt Pond’ by NedL was also the favourite. Congratulations Ned! Your idea of using the salt of the object in the image making process was not only fitting perfectly to the spirit of APUG but also the image itself is a winner in its beauty.

It was a very interesting MSA, and also all other contributions were great and inspiring! Contributing myself was big fun and that is the most important aspect, I think.

So I am looking forward to the next MSA!

Cheers!
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Wow! Thank you very much Thomas, I am honored! The topic was fun, challenging and also led to discovering a new place to hike for me. I really enjoyed it, and it was also fun to see the different creative interpretations of the topic!

The past few MSA topics have been wonderful. I have a busy day at work tomorrow, but I will try to decide on a theme and post it. Tuesday at the latest. I'll put a link here too.
 
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Thomas, good choice, I figured that one might win :smile:

I'm surprised you didn't disqualify me as a negative scan, since you were so strict about the digital interneg...

I know if it were a transparency it would have been easier to forgive a scan, but with B&W if you're that strict with the hybrid processes, how come you didn't disqualify me on that same basis? (I'm just asking and I'm curious not offended).

I'm not sure if the MSA has rules stating that actually, I know the BPX can be slightly hybrid and it's ok for that even though it's here on APUG.

Good choice of winner!

Now hurry up Ned!!! Let's get started on the new one!! :smile: what's the topic?? Link? :smile:
 

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Hello Thomas,
Thank you for the extended evaluations and the compliments. I agree with your assessments. You've picked the right winner in my book.

@NedL: congratulations!! This is the best shot. It is a beautiful image, but also beautifully executed as well! The closest to the theme as possible. I was hoping you would win. Can't wait to see what you'll come up with for the next MSA.

MSA is a lot of fun, isn't it?
 

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Wow, what an evaluation! Thanks Thomas and congrats Nedl for this well deserved first place! I'm curious what comes for the may/june MSA!:smile:
 
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It's been a pleasure for me to look at and review the photographs. Definitely a fun time.
 

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Thank you Thomas! You set a new standard for a wonderful summary of the submitted images.

Here is a link to the (there was a url link here which no longer exists).

I am looking forward to it and hope we'll see lots of photographs!
 

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my cow print is withdrawn (sorry)

... I'm surprised you didn't disqualify me as a negative scan, since you were so strict about the digital interneg...
I know if it were a transparency it would have been easier to forgive a scan, but with B&W if you're that strict with the hybrid processes, how come you didn't disqualify me on that same basis? (I'm just asking and I'm curious not offended). ...

Hi Stone,
In retrospect I must say Thomas was absolutely right in disqualifying my print for using a digital negative. I should have know better. The general rules of APUG apply, are very clear and can be found in the Gallery Upload page:
"Please refrain from posting any images that have been manipulated digitally such as converting color images to black and white, photoshop filtering tricks, etc. Also no multi-media/mixed media hybrid images or hybrid images in general, this includes digitally enlarged negatives which are then contact printed (see our sister site hybridphoto.com if you are interested in sharing such work). All images posted should be a representation of 100% traditional work, typically negative scans or print scans produced from a 100% traditional workflow.


The uploaded image should be the best representation of the actual final print and nothing more. We still accept neg scans in the galleries. We accept that some adjustment of contrast, brightness and sharpness may be needed to match the physical print and, for negative scans, to approximate a straight print.


Failure to follow the above rules will result in deletion of your image. Please respect the spirit of this community and our desire to share scans of 100% traditional based work in the galleries. If you understand the above rules then continue below. Thank You."
(source: (there was a url link here which no longer exists))

That's why I am rightfully disqualified and you're not. I think this is a good and just general rule for APUG. The Blind Print Exchange (BPX) might have some exceptions to this general rule, but I shouldn't have assumed that those exceptions apply everywhere. It makes me even think about clarifying these things in the BPX thread itself. (But that's OT here.)

I should have known better, so - in retrospect - I withdraw my cow print as a submission to this MSA with my sincere apologies for my ignorance of APUG standard guidelines. I'm just glad I mentioned the digital inter-negative in the first place and didn't win accidentally, or my embarrassment would have been even bigger...
I've edited my submission in the MSA Gallery accordingly.

@Thomas: Thank you for a wise lesson. And don't worry: you didn't discourage me in any way. If at all, you encouraged me to go even more analogue at the MSA next time. New standards for me to meet in alt-photo printing, so to say. It's always good to be reminded of the primary settings of the forum, now and again. We too easily drift off into the digital abyss....
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Hi Stone,
In retrospect I must say Thomas was absolutely right in disqualifying my print for using a digital negative. I should have know better. The general rules of APUG apply, are very clear and can be found in the Gallery Upload page:
"Please refrain from posting any images that have been manipulated digitally such as converting color images to black and white, photoshop filtering tricks, etc. Also no multi-media/mixed media hybrid images or hybrid images in general, this includes digitally enlarged negatives which are then contact printed (see our sister site hybridphoto.com if you are interested in sharing such work). All images posted should be a representation of 100% traditional work, typically negative scans or print scans produced from a 100% traditional workflow.


The uploaded image should be the best representation of the actual final print and nothing more. We still accept neg scans in the galleries. We accept that some adjustment of contrast, brightness and sharpness may be needed to match the physical print and, for negative scans, to approximate a straight print.


Failure to follow the above rules will result in deletion of your image. Please respect the spirit of this community and our desire to share scans of 100% traditional based work in the galleries. If you understand the above rules then continue below. Thank You."
(source: (there was a url link here which no longer exists))

That's why I am rightfully disqualified and you're not. I think this is a good and just general rule for APUG. The Blind Print Exchange (BPX) might have some exceptions to this general rule, but I shouldn't have assumed that those exceptions apply everywhere. It makes me even think about clarifying these things in the BPX thread itself. (But that's OT here.)

I should have known better, so - in retrospect - I withdraw my cow print as a submission to this MSA with my sincere apologies for my ignorance of APUG standard guidelines. I'm just glad I mentioned the digital inter-negative in the first place and didn't win accidentally, or my embarrassment would have been even bigger...
I've edited my submission in the MSA Gallery accordingly.

@Thomas: Thank you for a wise lesson. And don't worry: you didn't discourage me in any way. If at all, you encouraged me to go even more analogue at the MSA next time. New standards for me to meet in alt-photo printing, so to say. It's always good to be reminded of the primary settings of the forum, now and again. We too easily drift off into the digital abyss....
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So I guess my neg scan is good enough for the submission :smile:

I think you were honest and shouldn't be ashamed of the amazing work you did.
 
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Bert,

You are one cool dude. That is all.



Hi Stone,
In retrospect I must say Thomas was absolutely right in disqualifying my print for using a digital negative. I should have know better. The general rules of APUG apply, are very clear and can be found in the Gallery Upload page:
"Please refrain from posting any images that have been manipulated digitally such as converting color images to black and white, photoshop filtering tricks, etc. Also no multi-media/mixed media hybrid images or hybrid images in general, this includes digitally enlarged negatives which are then contact printed (see our sister site hybridphoto.com if you are interested in sharing such work). All images posted should be a representation of 100% traditional work, typically negative scans or print scans produced from a 100% traditional workflow.


The uploaded image should be the best representation of the actual final print and nothing more. We still accept neg scans in the galleries. We accept that some adjustment of contrast, brightness and sharpness may be needed to match the physical print and, for negative scans, to approximate a straight print.


Failure to follow the above rules will result in deletion of your image. Please respect the spirit of this community and our desire to share scans of 100% traditional based work in the galleries. If you understand the above rules then continue below. Thank You."
(source: (there was a url link here which no longer exists))

That's why I am rightfully disqualified and you're not. I think this is a good and just general rule for APUG. The Blind Print Exchange (BPX) might have some exceptions to this general rule, but I shouldn't have assumed that those exceptions apply everywhere. It makes me even think about clarifying these things in the BPX thread itself. (But that's OT here.)

I should have known better, so - in retrospect - I withdraw my cow print as a submission to this MSA with my sincere apologies for my ignorance of APUG standard guidelines. I'm just glad I mentioned the digital inter-negative in the first place and didn't win accidentally, or my embarrassment would have been even bigger...
I've edited my submission in the MSA Gallery accordingly.

@Thomas: Thank you for a wise lesson. And don't worry: you didn't discourage me in any way. If at all, you encouraged me to go even more analogue at the MSA next time. New standards for me to meet in alt-photo printing, so to say. It's always good to be reminded of the primary settings of the forum, now and again. We too easily drift off into the digital abyss....
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FWIW:

The Postcard exchange is the only exchange that permits the use of a digital intermediary for a print exchange.

In fact, you can actually send a digital inkjet print in the postcard exchange (but don't tell anyone :eek:smile:

I don't think that there are any specific rules permitting or prohibiting digital negatives for the Monthly Shooting Assignment.

But there seems to be a desire to add a prohibition. Shall we add one to the Sticky that has the rules?

EDIT: Note that the rules for Gallery uploads are really only specific to the Gallery, and not specific to images in threads.
 
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FWIW:

The Postcard exchange is the only exchange that permits the use of a digital intermediary for a print exchange.

In fact, you can actually send a digital inkjet print in the postcard exchange (but don't tell anyone :eek:smile:

I don't think that there are any specific rules permitting or prohibiting digital negatives for the Monthly Shooting Assignment.

But there seems to be a desire to add a prohibition. Shall we add one to the Sticky that has the rules?

It IS APUG, after all. And the gallery specifically does not permit uploading photos from digital negatives. Don't know why the MSA should be stepping away from the general APUG guidelines.
 

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It IS APUG, after all. And the gallery specifically does not permit uploading photos from digital negatives. Don't know why the MSA should be stepping away from the general APUG guidelines.

I agree,
It is a (kind of) contest (not an exchange), so let's raise the bar a little more to an analog level to stimulate everyone to be more creative analogically (is that even a word??).

I would be nice to add some guidelines to the sticky, since I didn't think of looking at the upload page rules. And even if I had noticed, that would only have been AFTER I finished my assignment. I'd rather have know upfront.
 
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