Originally Posted by Photo Engineer said:You would not want to put Ammonium Bisulfite into a developer!
It might get a little stinky...
Meanwhile, I AM doing more tests.
It'll be Phenidone-Z, (unless they changed to another derivative
Pat - can you do some step wedges or something in addition to your flowers? We might learn a bit more in your tests than how your flowers are aging.
Ian, Patrick;
According to my texts, the Sodium Bisulfite available commercially is mostly Sodium Metabisulfite. The same texts do not claim that for the Potassium salt. So, apparently, the Sodium salts are in equillibrium in the solid and liquid state.
PE
my point is something different is happening when Metabisulpite's used because of the SO2 & SO3 which won't happen if we used the equivalent amount of Sulphite.
H2SO3 is dissolved SO2. If the pH is too low, the SO2 is driven out of solution and it's stinky. (I'm on a stinky roll these days.) If the pH is higher, then the SO2 stays in solution as the sulfite ion, SO3--. The SO3-- ion is a good oxygen scavenger, which is one of its main uses in developers, and it is converted to sulfate, SO4--.
In other words, metabisulfite quickly becomes sulfite in solution. If the pH is high enough, there's no free SO2 gas dissolved in the solution. If the solution is acidic enough, you get back the SO2 gas from the dissolved sulfite and you can still have some sulfite ion in solution, but there's not some sort of "metabisulfite" ion present at any time in the solution.
Next point is obviously as the SO3-- is converted in localised areas to sulphate it will harden the emulsion . . . . . . .
What's different is that metabisulfte gets you a little more sulfite ion per gram of stuff than bisulfite does and even more than sulfite does - discounting pH effects between the three.
Ron, did you learn all that you know in school, or is much of it the result of experience and practice?
I'll see what I can do with step wedges. I'll have to relearn that as well.
That seems to be a bit of a stretch... And then why not say that for any developer that has sulfite in it?
This was my point as well but hidden in the chemistry.
PE
I'll see what I can do with step wedges. I'll have to relearn that as well.
Have some automobile battery acid on-hand in case of a spill. I bought a gallon of 37% battery acid to have here just in case before I did this.
Well I won't be mixing it. Is the ready made stuff safe to use?
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