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:confused: Sanders :confused:

Perhaps you hadn't realised that George is in Athens :smile: Thats the real ancient Athens in Greece (with the Acropolis) rather than the US town.

I'd agree with Ole about Net-Model, there are some excellent models on the site and it is international. There are models based in Greece, and you may also find UK based models who would work while holidaying abroad.

Ian

George, an obvious place to advertise is www.craigslist.org, an online classified ad service that is free to use. It is a well-traveled site in most major American cities.
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Perhaps you hadn't realised that George is in Athens :smile: Thats the real ancient Athens in Greece (with the Acropolis) rather than the US town.

I thought George was interested in approaching foreign models with an offer of lodgings in Greece in exchange for modeling time.
 
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I thought George was interested in approaching foreign models with an offer of lodgings in Greece in exchange for modeling time.

Well, Sanders, of course I am (within logical limits)... but airfare from the states... or even Northern Europe... wow... this would cost me more than if I paid for a professional model based here in Greece... I mean, this is supposed to be cheaper for me than approaching an agency and asking for a model, because otherwise this would be the sensible thing to do, no ?

I think that I'll try the "tourist" approach (maybe put up an ad in a few cheap hotels around Acropolis, where yound tourists usually stay), the "young actor" approach (put up an ad in acting schools) and Ole's one, that is looking for someone that has placed an ad on an online agency (that will be ready to model for a small amount of money AND prints).

Haris, your story is quite true, I am asking around but the problem here in Greece is usually family and social morals ("what ? Maria posed nude for a photographer ? what is wrong with her ? is she going to become a prostitute ? isn't she ashamed of herself ?" etc etc) and boyfriend - husband pressure (they believe that if their concubine does that, it automatically means that she'll sleep with the photographer).

I usually ask girls in an indirect way (would you know of someone that would pose for me etc) and see how it goes. Recently I was speaking with a friend of my concubine and with her was another friend of hers (female, too). I told them the story and they seemed like they could be interested in doing it (but didn't tell me directly). They told me that they wanted to come to my place to see how I printed the pictures in the darkroom (I explained the procedure while telling how I was intending to print the NUDE pictures). They probably wanted to come because they actually were thinking about posing, but were not sure about it. I left their place, came home and after a while my girlfriend recieved a call from her friend saying that they wouldn't come, that their boyfriends returned home and when they heard that they wanted to come see my darkroom, told them not to (they may have told them that they wanted to pose for me, even if they hadn't told me...). You see, things are not as easy as they seem sometimes...

After all, I haven't yet lost hope that it'll work with the one I have already found... I just let her wait for a couple of days, then call her and propose a modest amount of money and as many prints as she wants (within logical limits, as Scott wisely advised)... she may go for it...
 
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Hey George, senda photo of her my way. If I like her, I might think about borrowing her...

Hey, Ari... I'll ask her if she's married, and if she's not if she would consider a marriage with a beautiful, strong, young, intelligent, rich Cretan... if she says yes, then I'll give her your number...
 
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George, an obvious place to advertise is www.craigslist.org, an online classified ad service that is free to use. It is a well-traveled site in most major American cities. The headings you might try are "Talent Gigs" and "Creative Gigs." For example, here are links to these listings in New York City:

http://newyork.craigslist.org/tlg/
http://newyork.craigslist.org/crg/

If you want, I will ask Melanie if she knows of anyone who would be interested in working with you. Give me dates and terms. If you will provide housing and airfare, and allow the model to accept other work while you're not shooting her, I can probably locate a few terrific candidates for you.

Sanders

I am afraid that the listings you mention are empty under "Athens" or "Greece"...


On the other hand, the site Ole mentioned has a few Greek (not only from Athens) model-wannabes... I may try to contact a couple of them... who knows...
 
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This could be the clincher... Can you find cheap accommodation for attractive young women who are willing to remove their kit in order to model for a (pretty-much-guaranteed) non-sex-maniac?

I am not kidding. Tell 'em they can register with the police when they arrive (I don't remember -- as far as I recall you have tourist police in Greece?) and that they get subsidized accommodation plus for successful applicants a guaranteed X euros/hr for a guaranteed minimum X hours/week, and you should have certain Northern Europeans queueing.

Cheers,

R.

Dear Roger,

How do you know I am not a sex-maniac ?

Cheers,

George
 
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... airfare from the states... or even Northern Europe... wow... this would cost me more than if I paid for a professional model based here in Greece...

George, not necessarily, if you book out the flights in advance and avoid the peak tourist seasons. It might be a good deal cheaper if you have the model book from her end -- maybe the market is more heavily discounted in the US than Greece -- but I wouldn't know about that. Booking from the US, you should be able to secure a ticket for maybe $500. (At least, a quick browse of orbitz.com shows Alitalia and Swissair flights from NY to Athens in that price range.) If $500 is too much, maybe you could split the ticket with another photographer.

Melanie has done this on several occasions, with photographers in Ireland and India, and it worked out well for all concerned. She got a free trip overseas, and made money with the other photographers she worked with while there. The photographer got to shoot with her at length for a week or two for the cost of an airplane ticket.
 

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Hey, Ari... I'll ask her if she's married, and if she's not if she would consider a marriage with a beautiful, strong, young, intelligent, rich Cretan... if she says yes, then I'll give her your number...

Marriage! Gasp!
Never utter that horrible despicable curse in front of me!

I am just looking for a good model, a dancer would be ideal.
Not necesserly of nudes but open minded enough if it comes to that.

I am observing the thread with interest though.
 

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George, have you access to ballet theatres, art schools or acting schools. Theory is there are people who are aware of theire bodies and more open/less care about social limits theire surroundings usually try to force...
 

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Dear Roger,

How do you know I am not a sex-maniac ?

Cheers,

George

Dear George,

Well, fair enough, but given the extent to which this has been debated in a reasonably respectable forum, the dear girl could probably make an informed guess about how likely you would be to get caught if you stepped out of line.

I liked Haris's suggestion about ballet schools, etc.

Cheers,

R.
 

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Then, finally, there are prostitutes. While I'm full of great ideas. Most nude paintings before maybe eighty years ago were studies of prostitutes, for just the same reasons you describe.

The fact about tourists is, there are millions coming through Greece every year, and thousands of them would be willing to consider this kind of gig if they could be sure it would be safe and not too awkward, if they knew it existed. You just have to figure out how to advertise. There are plenty of foreigners living in Greece, too, so you might think about taking out an ad in an english language paper there in Athens, if there is such a thing.

As for your original question, if I were to solicit an amateur for a photo shoot, I think I would start by offering $25/h (USD) and a few prints. Where I am from there is very little economy, and the morality, though nowhere near as forgiving as that of some northern european countries, is fairly lenient. Most girls in their twenties only make about $10/h around here, for comparison.
 
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Here, 10 to 20 EURO is usuall DAILY sallary. But if you mention nude posing, girls start to talk about thousands. So, no posing for photographers, no money for girls, and it is closed circle...

Prostitutes are usually NOT good idea. There is simple reason. Girls less care (relatively speaking) what they are doing, they are worried what will be KNOWN they are doing. That is, girls easier try to earn money as prostitutes (if theire famillies, friends and like don't know how they earn), than pose nude. If they pose for nude photography/painting/sculpturing, people will see them, and that is problem. It is not matter what is done, but what people know they do. So, prostitutes are often off the limit. Here is like that, and small communities, traditional communities, patriarchal communities, strong religious communities often have that hypocritical moral stand. I wouldn't try prostitutes. Exotic dancers, but serious ones, not ones who use "dance" as cover for prostitution, are better choice than prostitutes, they have been seen nude and that is one thing less to worry for them. Prostitutes hide themselves and they do not want to be seen nude on pictures, double life you know.. Fashion model agencies also are not good choice. Those models put themselves too high, they are not suitable for private work (unless you are Peter Lindberhg or like, but...).

My first choice would be art school, at first models for students, or students themselves. Next, ballet dancers. Then modern dance dancers. Dancers for latino-american dances or waltz or like are less open that ballet dancers, I would not try with them. That is how it is here, and from what George tells I belive it is simillar at his place.

Put small add on information board in those schools or theatres and hope...

One thing. It would be good if you can afford next: Try to go somewhere else, let say Germany or wherever on weekend workshop for nude photography. That way you will get few prints you can show to eventual future models. It is one thing talking about nude photography, it is another thing if you can show example of your work and what are you try to make when ask her to pose. I never was able to afford something like that (not only money, problem here is traveling, we don't get visas easilly), and I would like to do that. Yes. it is not ideal, lots of people are there, you have no time or space to do everything you would like to try, but for start, who knows. Maybe some girl, and even one who reject you in first time would accept your proposition if she can see what is in matter why you need her.

George, I very well know your situation, I am in same situation here. Wait and hope, and don't give up, it is what can be done...
 

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Oh for crying out loud, I almost want to just ask one of my many model friends to just fly over there to end this thread. Holy cow.

Regards, Art.

Those with full belly, do not understand hungry ones... :smile:

Regards, Haris
 

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Those with full belly, do not understand hungry ones... :smile:

Regards, Haris

Dear Haris,

I could not agree more.

Do I feel guilty about having had the good fortune to be born into a rich, peaceful country? Not especially.

But I do feel VERY lucky, which (I hope) tempers my arrogance sometimes.

Cheers,

R.
 
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Thank you all for your suggestions, you've really helped me estimate the amount I should pay for what I need and have given me interesting ideas. I'll definitely look for some acting/dance schools and try to find a way to approach young tourists... I don't think I'll try the prostitutes, they are under the "protection" of strange characters (real pimps, Art) and I don't intend to find myself stabbed in a dark alley...

Cheers

George
 

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George- I would definitely not try the prostitutes, for the reasons you mentioned, plus more...

I have worked with exotic dancers before (one step- or not even one- removed from prostitutes), and they as a rule tend to be highly unreliable. They are likely to at best fail to show up, and offer a lame at best excuse for why. At worst, they'll case your studio/home/person to determine if you make a good candidate for burglary. Also, many folks working in that business are living a hard life, and so are not so well taken care of phyiscally as one might think. You might get their clothes off only to find tattoos you didn't want in impossible to disguise places, unpleasant scars, or other disfiguring marks from things like disease. The ones NOT so afflicted will be out of your price range, and not so likely to pose since to maintain their prices, discretion is the better part of success.
 

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Dear Haris,

I could not agree more.

Do I feel guilty about having had the good fortune to be born into a rich, peaceful country? Not especially.

But I do feel VERY lucky, which (I hope) tempers my arrogance sometimes.

Cheers,

R.

Roger, I was reffering to nude model situation, not politics/economy... :wink: :D
 

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Hi all

I'm speaking from very conservativ little Switzerland where it is also not so easy to find a nude model, but since more und more germans come to Swiss it getting better and better! ;--))
My first nude model was an FKK fan, a woman which likes to take the holidays somewhere in a nude camp!
For here it was almost as she had clothes on, she was totaly naturaly and easy!
If you have some nude camps in creek you could also make some anouncements there!
Here the cost of a nude model is around 80-150 SFR per hour, but the prices come down more and more since more and more do it!
Good luck, Armin
 
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