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This post got so big I had to split it. I was inspired to this pondering by my (there was a url link here which no longer exists) today, where I went to a gun show, and found myself unexpectedly discriminated against because I brought a camera.

I seem to find myself straddling cultures often, which can make me feel alone. What about gun enthusiasts that are also camera enthusiasts? Jazz enthusiasts that ALSO like progressive metal? As one with broad interests I find myself an enemy and a friend of the same entity often. This causes unnecessary spiritual discord.

What about people that order large amounts of chemicals for their home laboratory? What are they up to? What about people that photograph unrelated children in the street and even buildings and bridges? What are their motivations? What assumptions do we make about these people? My heart tells me that these assumptions are bad. What assumptions do I make that can be spiritualy harmful in a similar way?

Does espousal of one philosophy or preference automatically project a stance? Is it a zero sum game? Can I not enjoy skateboarding without associating myself with an entrenched-yet-flimsy social perception thereof? Must what I do reflect on who I am? And can I possibly prevent myself from judging people as individuals rather than as members of groups that I poorly understand, and constructed myself, based on perceptual clues that I myself admit the fallibility of? I must learn about everything. That is not possible. I cannot know everything. In the meantime I must reject the meaning commonly invested in things. I must look deeper. Shallower. I must look less deeply into things.

In doing this I must reject photographs as identifiers of anything. The denial of photographs as representations of reality must be emphasized. The creative role of the photographer and the transcendent nature of photography must dominate. A photograph of a building must no more in my mind be an an ambassador of the building's being; I must purge this instinct. Photographs, especially of people, invite a reconstruction, of a reality that no critic can know. This reconstruction is faulty in all.

An image of a child with parents, with iced cream. Did the parent buy the child the iced cream? I had assumed so, but I do not know that. Is that person even the child's parent? I had assumed that. The photograph invites this inquiry, and that's the photograph's purpose. A photograph is a piece of paper with a pattern on it. On this we can look and enjoy ourselves in perceiving something in the pattern. Tilt a photograph sideways, and disappears. To consider not the photograph, but the subject of a photograph, through its image or photograph, is a denial of what the subject deserves.

As long as the de/reconstruction of the photograph remains divorced from reality in all, it is noble as art, the way a work of fiction can bear the full weight of the reader's imagination in a natural way, while a work of nonfiction unavoidably occupies an uncomfortable saddle between dishonesty and meaninglessness. And yet, the world continues to (mis)use photography in this way...as evidence, as documentary, as witness. Indeed ours moves more and more from a text-driven society to an image-driven one. Perhaps, this can be acceptable in some circumstances. But not for me. Not anymore.
 

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Did you get any good pix at the gun show?
 

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I answered your other thread regarding gun shows and cameras. There are some places where cameras are just not welcome.

Here's an idea...

Take your camera to the pool and take pictures of the little kids in their swimsuits. They're all just as cute as buttons aren't they? Send us a line or two from prison...
 

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...What about people that order large amounts of chemicals for their home laboratory? What are they up to?...

If you're buying chemicals that can be considered to be "suspicious" in that they can be used in some way for illegal drug manufacture, you are required to fill out a DEA form that asks specifically what you plan to do with them, i.e. give the formula for what you're making. I suppose that if the plans and the quantities you're ordering don't jibe, you may end up with a visit from someone who arrives in a black SUV with tinted windows and who has zero sense of humor.
 

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You certainly address quite a few concepts in this bit of reflective writing. I, for one, have been a painter for the last 8 years and am now only venturing back into photography with that under my belt, so you could say I definitely understand the idea that photographs are "a piece of paper with a pattern on it" and plan to use them in this way more than any other. I have also been an avid scholar in symbolism and psychology so I hope I can appreciate how one interprets an image for oneself and reacts emotionally accordingly. The photograph can be many things to many people, however, and your notion of "espousal of one philosophy or preference" must be remembered here.

For the bulk of my life I've tried my hardest (and in fact it was typically the 'path of least resistance' for me) to be an observer and casual participator - I figured this would allow me the liberties to push myself into a wide variety of activities and get a general flavour for as many different types of cultural expression that exist out there. I never pushed my own influences on others or even suggested them with anything more than 'aloofness' as I assumed that people want to make their own decisions and knew that I would most likely drop my current preferences immenently. I have since realized, however, that living in this way kept me quiet, uninfluencial, and created no bonds between myself and the world around me. Look at those who are obsessively eccentric and compare their level of energy to those who simply walk the world as an objective scrutinizer who clinicaly stockpile their experiences, observing the activities and the participator (themselves) from a philosophically-minded distance. These fellows typically neither reject or embrace anything, and that leads (from my own experiences in these pursuits) to a rather passionless existence. I should also mention that it is nearly impossible to be completely objective and to never be 'possessed' by a particular notion or activity, but then one can always talk one's own passion down through reflective 'reasoning'.

I will acknowledge, however, that this mental schema of 'philosopher first' can be very beneficial to others in your life. I have had many long conversations with people who enter this state of mind for the first time over some sort of life trial and have to remind them that yes they should reflect but they should also then thrust themselves back into life with their new found realizations and to not recline too far into that philosophical armchair because it's really just a trap and before you know it your time to actually 'live' is over with.

Just a penny or two...kick them down the road of they're in your way :smile:
 
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A well-intentioned suggestion ... if you were able to express in simple terms what you wish to acheive with your photography and, specifically, why you want to photograph gun enthusiasts, you might find that this in turn increases your ability to make contact with the kind of people who attend gun shows (not that there is just ONE kind), a vanishingly small percentage of whom will be looking for an arcane discussion using the language of art criticism. This subject can be tackled, as witnessed by the book "Gun Nation" by Zed Nelson published a short while ago.
 

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Looks like a one-issue troll campaign has begun...

This post got so big I had to split it. I was inspired to this pondering by my (there was a url link here which no longer exists)
 
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