MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone, make it neutral tone

[haryanto]

I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

many thanks before

 

[Mark Layne]

I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

many thanks before

Ilford Cooltone developer will cool it to a blue black. It is one of the most versatile papers around-and beautiful.
Mark

 

[haryanto]

Ilford Cooltone developer will cool it to a blue black. It is one of the most versatile papers around-and beautiful.
Mark

thanks Mark, unfortunately, we dont have that developer in my country, Indonesia, I'll love the blueblack tone , thanks again

 

[firecracker]

thanks Mark, unfortunately, we dont have that developer in my country, Indonesia, I'll love the blueblack tone , thanks again

How about Oriental's cold-tone developer?

 

[Marc Leest]

You might use goldtoner to get cold blue blacks. Can be purchased readymade or made by raw chemicals, but it is expensive.

M.

 

[haryanto]

sadly, in this digital age, hard to find ready made developer or toner in my country, I only have dektol and selectol soft, that I buy a lot last year, but I can make it from scracth any idea?

thanks to you all

 

[Marc Leest]

sadly, in this digital age, hard to find ready made developer or toner in my country, I only have dektol and selectol soft, that I buy a lot last year, but I can make it from scracth any idea?

thanks to you all

Sure:

GAF 231

Distilled water 750ml
Ammonium thiocyanate* 105g
Goldchloride 1% sol. 60ml
Cold water to make 1000ml

*Sodium thiocyanate may be substituted at 110g or potassium thiocyanate
at 135g.

Recipe taken from "The Master Photographer's Toning Book, by Dr. Tim Rudman"

M.

 

[clay]

You might try adding small amounts of 10% benzatriazole (sp?), which is a restrainer that will raise contrast slightly and also cool the image tone. You may have to extend development to the 3-4 minute range also to get the maximum effect. The changes are likely to be subtle in any case.

 

[John Simmons]

I've try the MGIV FB Glossy Warmtone in dektol 1:3 , I got greenish, when toning in selenium 1:20 it become warmth, I want to neutral, any suggestions

many thanks before

That combination your using does come out very green. I have been using this paper exclusively for years and get a range of tone from Brown to Neutral to Blue Black. The best developer I have found for neutral/cold tones is the Ilford Harmon Cold Tone Developer. Another option if you must use dektol is using a gold toner. This will give you a very blue cold tone depending on the length of time in the toner...this paper does gold tone fast. As I am a fan of split tones you could do a strong selenium step (1-9) for 2-3 minutes and then gold tone (warm shadows/blue highlights).

If you can't get the ilford developer then this developer formula works good to get neutral tones on this paper. Make sure you use the variation without the Potassium Bromide and sub the benzatriazol.

Similar to Kodak D-72 and Defender 54-D, this formula produces a more pronounced blue-black on most papers.

MIXING THE STOCK SOLUTION
You will need a 1 liter storage container and a 1000 ml graduated cylinder for mixing the stock solution. You may find it convenient to use a proper-sized mixing bowl to mix the stock solution.

STOCK SOLUTION A
Chemical Amount Units
Water (110°F/43°C) 750 ml
Metol 3 g
Sodium sulfite 40 g
Hydroquinone 12 g
Sodium carbonate (mono)* 75 g
Potassium bromide 0.8 g
Water to make 1000 ml
*65 g Sodium carbonate (anhy).

Place the warm water in the storage container and add a pinch of sodium sulfite. (A small amount of sodium sulfite will minimize the initial oxidation of the metol. If more is added at this point, the metol will not dissolve). Add the metol to the solution and stir until all of the metol is dissolved. It is important that all of the metol be dissolved before the other chemicals are added. Add the sodium sulfite, stirring until the solid dissolves, Add each chemical in the order given in the table above. Be sure each chemical is completely dissolved before adding the next one to the solution. Finally, add water to the solution to bring its final volume up to size.

STOCK SOLUTION B
Benzotriazole, 1% solution

LIFE AND CAPACITY OF THE DEVELOPER SOLUTION
The stock solution has a life of more than six months.

USAGE
Dilute 1:2 and add between 6.0 ml and 15.0 ml of Stock Solution B per each liter of Stock Solution A used. The more benzotriazole used, the greater the blue tone. Develop for 2 minutes at 68°F/20°C.

VARIATIONS
Reduce the amount of potassium bromide and/or substitute 0.2 g of benzotriazole for every 1.0 g of potassoium bromide for cooler blue tones.

 

[AlanC]

Haryanto,

Can you get hold of Mgd 4 FB ? This is a neutral paper, and it stays neutral after selenium toning.
Another suggestion: Have you tried Dektol at 1:9? When I used this with Mgd 4 FB it came out blue black - cooler than at 1:3. Don't know if it works like this with Mgd warmtone but it would be worth a try since you have the paper and the developer.

Alan Clark

 

[reellis67]

John,

Isn't that the Burki and Jenny formula? I was going to try that in the next few weeks with MGIV and MGWT, as well as redeveloping in this after developing with a neutral developer and bleaching.

- Randy

 

[haryanto]

Haryanto,

Can you get hold of Mgd 4 FB ? This is a neutral paper, and it stays neutral after selenium toning.
Another suggestion: Have you tried Dektol at 1:9? When I used this with Mgd 4 FB it came out blue black - cooler than at 1:3. Don't know if it works like this with Mgd warmtone but it would be worth a try since you have the paper and the developer.

Alan Clark

yes, but I've still have MgdFB WT a lot, I'll try it dektol 1:9

I'll try to find benzotriazole too

thanks too you all

 

[John Simmons]

John,

Isn't that the Burki and Jenny formula? I was going to try that in the next few weeks with MGIV and MGWT, as well as redeveloping in this after developing with a neutral developer and bleaching.

- Randy

Yes you are correct on the fomula. It is a cold tone developer but nothing I have seen gives the same cold tone that the new ilford coldtone developer does with the Ilford WT paper.

 

[John Simmons]

yes, but I've still have MgdFB WT a lot, I'll try it dektol 1:9

I'll try to find benzotriazole too

thanks too you all

Greater dilutions of dektol on this paper in my experience gives warmer tones. I would try undiluted dektol for colder tones and greater contrast. Unfortunately, you are going to have to use a true cold tone developer for this paper or use a gold toner with dektol to get neutral/cold tones on this paper that you desire.

You could use ilford mgiv paper for neutral tones but the ilford warmtone paper is better IMO in all respects.

Regards,
John

 

[Matthew Gorringe]

You could use ilford mgiv paper for neutral tones but the ilford warmtone paper is better IMO in all respects.

I'd like to try the MGIV WT and Harman Cootone Dev combo but wonder how it tones in KRST. Is there any appreciable change in tone or density when KRST is used at 1+19 or similar?

Thanks, Matt.

 

[haryanto]

Greater dilutions of dektol on this paper in my experience gives warmer tones. I would try undiluted dektol for colder tones and greater contrast. Unfortunately, you are going to have to use a true cold tone developer for this paper or use a gold toner with dektol to get neutral/cold tones on this paper that you desire.

You could use ilford mgiv paper for neutral tones but the ilford warmtone paper is better IMO in all respects.

Regards,
John

thanks John for your info, I've heard that MGIVWT have a good deep black better than the neutral, that's why I want to try that paper,

Matt, nice questions, I'll love to hear about that