You try to get out of that circle by claiming that exposing less is not the same as underexposing.
Kodak even rounds by a 1/3 here.EXPOSURE
KODAK PROFESSIONAL T-MAX P3200 Film is specially designed to be used as a multi-speed film. The speed you use depends on your application; make tests to determine the appropriate speed.
The nominal speed is EI 1000 when the film is processed in KODAK PROFESSIONAL T-MAX Developer or KODAK PROFESSIONAL T-MAX RS Developer and Replenisher, or
EI 800 when it is processed in other Kodak black-and-white developers. It was determined in a manner published in ISO standards. For ease in calculating
exposure and for consistency with the commonly used scale of film-speed numbers, the nominal speed has been rounded to EI 800.
In my mind, underexposure implies a problem; not giving the film enough light to make the image I want...
Exactly Q.G. unless we define the starting point we don't know and you have not defined a starting point for making that decision. [...]
In my mind, underexposure implies a problem; not giving the film enough light to make the image I want.
If I get one seriously underexposed frame on a roll of film, it's trash.
...If I get one seriously underexposed frame on a roll of film, it's trash.
Would defining , for the sake of this discussion, "normal" exposure as being box speed???
Then this is your opportunity to learn how problems can be turned into solutions!
Now if you would overdevelop those frames you know you underexposed, you would get frames that look good and provide the increase in contrast we're after!
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So if I already planned +2, and I'm under two full stops , and it's in the middle of the roll...
If you already planned +2, you already made the decision to deviate from +/- 0.
So there's your "definition".
If you plan to do a +2 frame in the middle of a roll... wouldn't you agree that if someone does that, he needs to stop what he is doing and consider whether he is clever enough to be doing what he is doing? I'm sure you do!
It could also be an acceptable compromise.
No disrespect intended but I must say to Mark and the rest -- please first read Ansel Adams "The Negative" and then perhaps one or two of the Zone System books. All questions and speculation should then be answered. This thread is just spinning in circles.
No, it means I am making the decision to use a different "characteristic curve" for the shots in question.
I think the difference between planned and accidental is getting confused here.
If I pick a specific film and development process combo, a specific curve to match the SBR, before the shot and the tones happen to fall right where I wanted them on the developed film, I have exposed properly.
If I screw up, which happens, and the tones fall too low on the curve and I've lost details that I wanted on film, by my definition, I've underexposed and created some trash.
Intensify my negatives in Selenium???? Do I take my negative and soak it in selenium, or add a selenium step to the processing procedure?
Filtration in camera does not change the contrast of the emulsion. It changes the tones of objects within the shot, selectively, based on their colors. Therefore, you can use them to change the contrast between specific objects that appear in the shot, but you cannot use them to create an overall change in contrast.
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