X-Rite sensitometers are calibrated at exposure setting “3” at the factory. The exposure of Step 11 is adjusted to match factory standard instruments maintained by X-Rite.
The sensitometer is calibrated to expose screen-type films normally used for general radiography to an approximate density of 1.0D+ Base+Fog on Step No. 11.
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@albada ,
Very interesting!
I’d like to know… are you indexing to the meter at 10x your found speed point? Is your speed likely to be different than ASA/ISO for the same film?
Determining Film-Speed: Ensured Shadow-Contrast Criterion
As I've been tinkering with developers, I've been frustrated with the inadequacies of the ISO method of determining film speed. So I created another method, which appears to solve the problem well. The problem is to determine the minimum exposure that yields adequate shadow-contrast, and is easy to compute and doesn’t restrict you to just one contrast. Here it is. Please post whether you see any shortcomings to it.
I thought of starting a new thread, but this fits the topic of “Methodology and Curve Interpretation” perfectly, so I put it here. Moderator, feel free to move this proposal to its own thread if you wish.
Mark
Proposal for the Ensured Shadow-Contrast Criterion for Determining Film-Speed
Mark Overton, April 2023
There are some significant problems with the present ISO standard for determining film speeds.
I have devised a new method of determining speed that solves the above problems, and most importantly, it guarantees adequate contrast in the shadows.
- A film speed can only be computed when the film is developed to a specific and rather high contrast, making it time-consuming to determine a speed. Furthermore, the resulting speed will not represent realistic conditions.
- The standard is based on films available in the 1930s and 1940s, and many of today’s films are substantially different. Thus, computed speeds often differ from true speeds determined by testing.
- The standard is based on the 0.3Gbar criterion, representing a location on the H-D curve that will print black, and thus can yield insufficient or excessive shadow contrast.
Shadows are the problem. For a general purpose film and developer, any H-D curve has a high enough slope to ensure decent contrast of midtones and highlights. But its toe region starts horizontal, and rises slowly or quickly, determined by film and environment. This region determines shadow-contrast, so underexposure will put shadows on a part of the toe having a slope that’s too low, giving them insufficient contrast, making them muddy and too dark. The flaw of the 0.3Gbar criterion is that the point at 0.3Gbar on the H-D curve is located around one stop to the left of what it thinks is zone II, which is the exposure for the darkest tone that can reveal some texture, and thus that criterion cannot ensure adequate contrast at zone II. Thus, the ISO standard bases speed on a useless portion of the H-D curve, reducing the accuracy of its speed measurements.
The Ensured Shadow-Contrast criterion (ESC criterion) specifies that the ratio of shadow gradient to overall gradient must equal a specified constant. A speed-point s is selected on the x-axis of the H-D curve, and the two gradients (slopes) are computed over the intervals [s, s+0.3] and [s, s+1.8]. If their ratio equals the specified constant, then the criterion is satisfied, and the point s corresponds to zone II. In practice, one must try several values of s to find the closest match to the constant, and then interpolate (if desired) to improve the accuracy of s.
Here is a diagram showing the two gradients and the computations.
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gs = mean gradient of shadows = (d(s+0.3)-d(s)) / 0.3
gi = mean gradient of entire image = (d(s+1.8)-d(s)) / 1.8
Ensured Shadow-Contrast criterion: Select s such that gs/gi = 0.64
The constant 0.3 was chosen because shadows occupy the interval [s, s+0.3], which are zones II and III. The constant 1.8 was chosen because that is the average range of exposure striking the film that contains detail (i.e., not pure white or black in the desired print or scan), after accounting for flare.
The constant 0.64 is critical, as it determines shadow-contrast. I selected the value 0.64 based on a few film strips to match ISO speeds, so this is probably not its ideal value. I suspect that its ideal value for the “first excellent print” will fall between 0.6 and 0.7.
As one can see, the computations for the ESC criterion are easy, and the concept of a ratio of grades is easy to understand. The salient features of this criterion are:
I should mention that film speed varies with spectrum of light, developer, dilution, and overall contrast (gi). A standard for “box speed” must specify all of these. A standard also should avoid proprietary formulas, so I suggest using the original 1927 formula for D-76 with no dilution, freshly mixed with distilled or DI water, and developed to a gi of 0.58 at 20 degrees C, for a film exposed by CIE standard illuminant D65 (which emulates daylight).
- It is easy to compute.
- It is easy to understand.
- It guarantees adequate shadow-contrast.
- It provides the correct speed for any contrast in any environment.
- It avoids overexposure by providing the minimum required exposure.
Meters assumes a 3-1/3 stop drop from middle gray (10x), and my speed-point is at zone II, a 3-stop drop, so that would be 8x instead of 10x.
My speeds are supposedly more accurate than ISO, so they will differ even when contrast is the same, but I think the two will be reasonably close at the ISO CI of 0.615 (my corresponding gi values would be a little higher due to 1.3 range vs 1.8). One advantage of my method is that it gives you the speed to use for your contrast, your developer, your agitation scheme, etc.
Mark
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I was toying with the thought that the familiar charts show how well “average” readings correlate to the 0.3G print studies.
But in my mind I imagined Zone System practice and Nikon matrix metering probably tighten the standard deviation.
Since we can demonstrate that Zone System indexes 2/3 stop towards greater exposure. And since we can assume Nikon matrix metering (when it’s set at the ASA/ISO) would place exposure right where it needs to be…
I imagined the two graphs would look something like this.
Bill, since the Zone System uses a fixed density method, the spread would be similar to the 0.10 fixed vs print judgement speeds chart. Notice how it doesn't even trend in the same direction as the other three methods.
This explains the confirmation bias.
First impression is you are making unsubstantiated claims and assumptions. How is this method different from all the obsolete speed methods that preceded the fractional gradient method? They were all based on sensitometric assumptions related to the film curve and not the psychophysical evaluation of the perception of quality.
I have problems with all three of your problems with the ISO standard, some of your conclusions, and the serious elevation of Zones as a standard.
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I always interpreted the original scatter diagrams as showing how badly average meter readings miss the correct exposure.
What makes Zone System special, and similarly Nikon matrix metering… is their intention.
They both accurately place exposure after careful evaluation.
So I think a scatter diagram of these two meter reading evaluation systems would show very little scatter from “the correct exposure for the shot”.
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I was toying with the thought that the familiar charts show how well “average” readings correlate to the 0.3G print studies.
But in my mind I imagined Zone System practice and Nikon matrix metering probably tighten the standard deviation.
Since we can demonstrate that Zone System indexes 2/3 stop towards greater exposure. And since we can assume Nikon matrix metering (when it’s set at the ASA/ISO) would place exposure right where it needs to be…
I imagined the two graphs would look something like this.
We might be talking about two different subjects. The spread charts were used to compare which sensitometric speed method came closest in results to the print judgement speeds. No meters involved.
You mean something along these lines? That would be an awesome project.My backup DIY plan for a sensitometer (if something goes wrong with the EG&G that I can’t fix) is to cobble together an H&D sector wheel (pictured in Mees - I got it from Mark Osterman) with an old 8mm projector.
Fig. 9.6 is what I have, about the size of an LP record. I don’t have room for the famous type IIB in the other picture.
The standard is based on films available in the 1930s and 1940s, and many of today’s films are substantially different.
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