Meduim Format Film vs Nikon D3X

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Actually, I just received an email from a lab and they said that they would do a 200 meg scan of my 120 negs $56.00 each. They say that this will enable me to make sharp A1 size enlargements.

I'm not sure what resolution that works out to from your 120 negs. And I'm sure that a good drum scan is going to trump other scans, so it might be worth the $50 for your best work. But I've been VERY happy with the scans I'm getting from Precision Camera. The ones I'm getting with are 4k x 6k from 35mm. $12/roll buys be developing and scanning. I can only imagine what the 120 scans look like.

No I'm not affiliated with them, just happy with the service I'm getting. Other places offer similar quality scans, but for a bit more money. NCPS and Richard Photo Lab come to mind.
 

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with all the add on today to imitate film there really isn't any reason to shoot film professionally. but don't try blowing up a picture from a D3 to larger than 16x20. I would then invest in a camera like a Pentax 645 digital with 24 mp. So many weddings I go to see people trying to be pro's shooting a Dslr and using the built in flash and think they are doing the right thing. that is the biggest problem with dig. is everyone thinks they are pro.
 

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with all the add on today to imitate film there really isn't any reason to shoot film professionally. but don't try blowing up a picture from a D3 to larger than 16x20. I would then invest in a camera like a Pentax 645 digital with 24 mp. So many weddings I go to see people trying to be pro's shooting a Dslr and using the built in flash and think they are doing the right thing. that is the biggest problem with dig. is everyone thinks they are pro.

1) I would love to own the Pentax 645D or any other MF digital camera for that matter, though the 645D seems to be a very nice camera.

2) Not printing larger than 16x20 from Nikon D3 files? I think you are being way to conservative, especially when excellent optics are used and modern post processing software is utilized.

3) You don't need a DSLR to be a Pro just a camera phone.:smile: At least that's what Martin Parr implied a couple of years ago.

Don
 

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I'm a LF analog guy with a scanner to do negatives for my med. and 35 mm film. But I just got a Epson 4880 and can see why so many do digital. But I like to get my hands wet and do platinum. I just got a Da Yi 6x17 and test shot it and scanned on minimal settings and print on my printer a 16x5" print. Tack sharp andno grain. (used acufine deve). So I'm going to sell the 8x20 deardorff. This is where digital has won out on my analog. I will keep shooting 8x10
 

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I'm a LF analog guy with a scanner to do negatives for my med. and 35 mm film. But I just got a Epson 4880 and can see why so many do digital. But I like to get my hands wet and do platinum. I just got a Da Yi 6x17 and test shot it and scanned on minimal settings and print on my printer a 16x5" print. Tack sharp andno grain. (used acufine deve). So I'm going to sell the 8x20 deardorff. This is where digital has won out on my analog. I will keep shooting 8x10

I'm not sure if can continue to soldier on with film if the prices keep creeping up.

Using ULF & LF cameras are fun but their practicality for me have been diminished in the last couple of years. 4x5 or 5x7 is about as large as I want to go but sheet film cameras have become secondary instruments for me. Maybe I'll take up wet plate, yeah that's it, Tri-Color Wetplate! :smile:

I envision a day when I'll be shooting with a digital camera and a large LCD device (like an iPad or Droid tablet attached wirelessly) to compose with.
 

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I use a D700 and a lot of MF and LF gear, and occasionally an fm2n or om1. They all have their place. For me the decision of picking one or the other has a lot more to do with how the camera works and feels and what style of shooting it favors. All the tech specs are rather unimportant to me and becoming less so with time.

Similar to the D3x, the D700 is definitely a force to be reckoned with for colour and particularly in low light. For reportage I don't see how it could be beaten, really- it's a perfect balance between resolution and low-light capability that really makes it so unique. The noise levels are just spectacular; I have shot the thing at ISO 6400 in light so dim I couldn't even properly compose and gotten excellent results. With my 50/1.2 I've really had some fun! I can't really compare it to anything in the film world, it's just a completely different tool altogether.

Would I favor the D700 for low ISO, deliberative, landscapey stuff, probably not. I just don't really care for 35mm SLR mode of composition for that. But I did make several 7 foot stitched prints from several landscape shots in Iceland on the D700 that made some friends very happy.

I do feel that film still has a big edge for b&w, when you consider the types of gear available and the overall process and overall final value of the prints (notwithstanding what hybrid can do now). And the gear advantage of film is still enormous. Yes, it's no big deal to people who are content to use small SLRs all the time, but if you like your gear variety (TLRs, RFs, field cameras...) as much as I do, the thought of digital completely displacing film is a very bitter pill.

Time to get out the 5x7" velvia slides and remind myself why I have a room packed with film stuff!
 

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Are you trying to get me into trouble Don? Ha! I HAD previously posted it in APUG and nearly got my head bitten off!

Yeah, I use both film and digital. It got to the point that I didn't feel welcome on APUG. :sad:
 

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I had a D3 (first version) for quite some time now.
What is astonishing is the result on high iso and low light, something difficult to get on film.
In normal situation it has potential to perform up to the lens that is on the front and beyond.
D3 is not limited to 16x20 far from it. So D3X has even less limits.
I tried for few days the Leica S2 and if you forget the insane price it felt like the perfect camera. Few buttons, smaller camera than the D3, just feeling right in the hands with insane results...
But in the end what is important is the RAW file and... Photoshop.
The degree of precision you can get goes far beyond wet darkroom and with regularity.
Having been doing Lith prints for a long time I can tell you that "regularity' brings some peace of mind ! :smile:
 

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What is astonishing is the result on high iso and low light, something difficult to get on film.

That is the real forte of digital IMHO. That is the thing that makes it most different from film, as far as actually being able to do things that film simply cannot do. At low speeds, I feel that I can match and beat digital quality with film. Not even close at high speeds.
 

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That is the real forte of digital IMHO. That is the thing that makes it most different from film, as far as actually being able to do things that film simply cannot do. At low speeds, I feel that I can match and beat digital quality with film. Not even close at high speeds.

Definitely.
As for low speed you feel the film texture, almost organic.
Way better.
G
 

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Does the 5D have basically the same performance as the Nikon you're talking about?
 

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Does the 5D have basically the same performance as the Nikon you're talking about?

D700 has "better" low light performance (and many higher sensitivity settings) than the 5D, and just a little bit smaller of an image. But the 5D is no slouch, especially for what they sell for on the used market.

Being able to use AI and AI-S lenses makes Nikon a no brainer for what I shoot and for what I want to invest in lenses (i.e. not a ton of money), and that is why I went with a Nikon recently after shooting Canon digital since 2003. I held off for a long time because Nikons had such horrendously foul high ISO performance until the D3, and I shoot mostly at high ISOs when using digital cameras. But I didn't invest heavily in Canon, so switching is not that hurtful to me. I had only one lens remaining (50mm f/1.2), which I sold to a friend.

D700 also has better build quality than the 5D. It is built pretty much like a pro body, while the 5D is built like a mid-level consumer body. This being said, I have almost 8 years of hard use on my Canon 10D, and it has never failed me entirely. The shutter button is a little loose, and has to be somewhat stabbed (or hit at just the right angle) to fire a shot now, and the pop-up flash no longer synchs, though it fires. The shutter button bothers me, and I will get it fixed eventually, but I never used the flash, so forget spending any money on that. So if I am hard on cameras and a consumer body has for the most part lasted me fine for 8 years, I am not sure that this difference in build quality should even be a factor to those who are not extremely hard on their cameras. But it is something to appreciate and to help put you a little bit at ease...and it just feels better to use.

5D Mk. II (I was previously discussing the plain 5D) trumps D700 in image size by a factor of 2. That is its only real superiority the way I see it, though very few people would actually find this huge file useful/necessary. The original 5D, as mentioned, only trumps the D700 by about 1 Mpix.

I'd say if you are comparing D700 to 5D, D700 wins on all accounts except price. (5D's cost about half as much on the used market.) If you are comparing D700 to 5D Mk. II, D700 wins for everything but landscape photographers, or other photographers who don't need blazing auto focus, don't really shoot a lot of moving things, and don't need to work fast or be hard on their cameras with day-in, day-out use, but who need the most beautiful prints you can get from a small format digital, with the option of going very large. The minutiae of high ISO "quality" is debatable between the two, but both are close enough to be considered equal in all practicality, IME. (I have shot both, though I have not owned either...until a few days, when my own personal D700 arrives.)
 

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Thanks for all the info, much appreciated. I have not changed digital cameras in many years, still using a D30, which I used for 3 sittings this week...hard to believe, I know, but the results are still wonderful.

95% of what I do is with film, and the lower res of the D30 helps to give me a more film-like image.

I would really love to have higher ISOs and a full-frame...
 

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Thanks for all the info, much appreciated. I have not changed digital cameras in many years, still using a D30, which I used for 3 sittings this week...hard to believe, I know, but the results are still wonderful.

95% of what I do is with film, and the lower res of the D30 helps to give me a more film-like image.

I would really love to have higher ISOs and a full-frame...

I am with you. I love my 10D, which is not much newer than your D30. I won't get rid of it (especially with the ability to borrow my old 50 back at any time :D It is a stellar lens). Its 1600 images can blend nicely with Delta 3200 in a portfolio, and the file is a great size for me.

You may find a used 5D to be a good choice. It takes your lenses, it's under $1,000, it's full frame, and it has what was astounding low-light performance at the time. Compare it to newer cameras and it is beaten, but it is far from having poor performance in any way. And the file size is nice, but not overbearing.
 

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The video option of the 5DII is something to consider, even if you don't think it interests you, because it will interest people who know you have it, and video opportunities will materialize. I'm using it more than I'd planned to when I got the camera.
 

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I love the video on the 5DII...have you seen Mark Tucker's blog? And his newer "A Day With..." blog? Plenty of great video and stills from this amazing photographer...
 

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Because I have it, I have started shooting videos commercially. I would never have bought a video camera, but the jobs materialized indeed.
 

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Yeah, I use both film and digital. It got to the point that I didn't feel welcome on APUG. :sad:
I think that is why we have dpug. I see a lot of people in both which means they do both and try not to cause waves. That is why I'm here I do platinum with 8x10 and digital negative. I put one work in one and the other work in the other. I think it keeps the pease. Though I did do some B&W prints on my new 4880 printer and they came out outstanding but I felt empty inside because the printing process is just a push of a button. But also see why you would go this way if a darkroom isnt your direction.:cool2:
 

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just want to add
**** 95 % of photographers have no clue how to perform a TEST
99.9% of photographers have no idea how TEST looks like
99% of Comments regarding Resolution are wrong - based only on own experience
99.9 % Photographers confused about DSLR sensor size , pixel pitch and Processing engine Interpolation
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99.9 % photographers made decision about resolution at front of Monitor @ 72/96 dpi
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Film is Analog >>> Film Scan is Digital
Film vs Digital means Scanner vs DSLR / both digital /
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Film is Analog - so Print it on Photo Paper - and Enjoy Silver Lights :smile:
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And warm regards to you, sir or madam.
 

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How sweet was even 15 years ago
:smile:
Since Photography went Digital - there are 2 pro photographers out of every 300,000 / maybe even 400 hundred thousand
newborn digital photographers / iPhone included /.
Entire web overloaded with low quality pictures and hundreds of stupid comments
RF Forums and DPUG gallery is a good sample of that
APUG is a only place where you can expect - a correct comment and a good advice
because there are Professional Photographers - like me
What about you? :smile:
Cheers from Sir or madam
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okaaayy ?
 
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Wait, am I on Candid Camera?

Boy, I'd sure like to see the work of a true master like you. Show us, please?
 
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