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Sirius Glass

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There is overall no problem with range finders. They take good to great photographs. I just preferred the Hasselblad system and it is hard to beat a good system. That said I took some stunning photographs with a folder. "Different strokes for different folks" - Sly & the Family Stone
 

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Fuji made 645 RF's so petite that the whole folder vs non-folder question is moot, except that non-folding means one less thing to get damaged or out of alignment. I prefer their 6X9 RF's instead, but regardless, any later design Fuji will have an exceptionally good lens. No sense bringing Hassle-bads or other MF SLR's into the mix - oranges versus apples, with largely different ideal applications.
 

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Fuji made 645 RF's so petite that the whole folder vs non-folder question is moot, except that non-folding means one less thing to get damaged or out of alignment. I prefer their 6X9 RF's instead, but regardless, any later design Fuji will have an exceptionally good lens. No sense bringing Hassle-bads or other MF SLR's into the mix - oranges versus apples, with largely different ideal applications.

And what is wrong with apples and oranges? Do you have problems with orchard fruit? :angel:
 
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Whoa! Just looked a Super Ikontas prices on the bay and they are soo high! Whoa.

Good thing I'm have enough of them to be happy but weird they are so expensive ($200-600)
 
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By the way, their sovit cousins are pretty well build as well. It seems later versions (Moskva 4 and 5) are improvements over the original. I've a Moskva 5. Lens is coated and mine came with the mask to make it into a 6x6. Not that big and light. Rangefinder is pretty on the spot. Maybe worth taking a look. Cheaper too :smile:

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Whoa! Just looked a Super Ikontas prices on the bay and they are soo high! Whoa.

Good thing I'm have enough of them to be happy but weird they are so expensive ($200-600)

Typically except for those cameras sought by collector, the better cameras generally have higher demand and generally cost more.
 

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Hi Sirius. For a long time I had my own actual orchards, with all kinds of fruit trees. That was in the mountains, the Sierras, overlooking the flat plain of the Central Valley below, where we understood the distinction between vertical and horizontal. And in keeping with that theme, my own MF apples n oranges camera mix has no place in it for anything square, which can't make up its mind.
 

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Hi Sirius. For a long time I had my own actual orchards, with all kinds of fruit trees. That was in the mountains, the Sierras, overlooking the flat plain of the Central Valley below, where we understood the distinction between vertical and horizontal. And in keeping with that theme, my own MF apples n oranges camera mix has no place in it for anything square, which can't make up its mind.

Square does not need to make up its mind. It is perfect and never has to be tipped over. Further more spherical or near spherical fit quite nicely in a square frame. A square frame is much easier to make than around frame, especially with glass, mat boards and wood.
 

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If square is anything it wants to be, how come it's almost never presented as a diamond shape instead? Is there some problem with Hassies relative to the magnetic pole? And when it comes to picture framing, there's almost nothing more boring than equal dimension borders on each side .... and any picture frame shop that lazy - which includes quite a few these days - should have its matcutter operator tarred and feathered. That would lend a new meaning to the concept of the Greek "Golden Mean" - mean and angry. I'd be in that mob.

Incidentally, the once guru of museum quality picture framing, Paul Frederick, actually taught his students to use the golden mean ratio as the differential between top and bottom mat margins. But since basic gravity causes the backing and mat to settle a little more toward the bottom rabbet of the frame (allowance has to be made for expansion and contraction), that kinda fools around with the formula. A simple 2:3 ratio is easier. I simply do it by eye - my composition, my rules! But equal margins seem to have caught on especially with modern computerized matcutters, that is, with how faster and easier rote workflow equates to the operators themselves being proportionately too lazy to punch a couple more buttons to offset the dimensions. Can people even think or choose for themselves anymore?

No, I wouldn't do that with any image presented in the diamond or the round; but I have never ever seen a Hassie advertised as having a diamond format back either. Maybe Hassies just don't appeal to creative people.
 
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If square is anything it wants to be, how come it's almost never presented as a diamond shape instead? Is there some problem with Hassies relative to the magnetic pole? And when it comes to picture framing, there's almost nothing more boring than equal dimension borders on each side .... and any picture frame shop that lazy - which includes quite a few these days - should have its matcutter operator tarred and feathered. That would lend a new meaning to the concept of the Greek "Golden Mean" - mean and angry. I'd be in that mob.

Incidentally, the once guru of museum quality picture framing, Paul Frederick, actually taught his students to use the golden mean ratio as the differential between top and bottom mat margins. But since basic gravity causes the backing and mat to settle a little more toward the bottom rabbet of the frame (allowance has to be made for expansion and contraction), that kinda fools around with the formula. A simple 2:3 ratio is easier. I simply do it by eye - my composition, my rules! But equal margins seem to have caught on especially with modern computerized matcutters, that is, with how faster and easier rote workflow equates to the operators themselves being proportionately too lazy to punch a couple more buttons to offset the dimensions. Can people even think or choose for themselves anymore?

No, I wouldn't do that with any image presented in the diamond or the round; but I have never ever seen a Hassie advertised as having a diamond format back either. Maybe Hassies just don't appeal to creative people.

When I have a square print mounted the whole in the mat is square but sometime overall mat maybe larger below the photograph for visual presentation.
 

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Dizzy. Yeah. Just frame it square or diamond or whatever, then mount it to a lazy Susan bearing on the wall, and spin it like a roulette wheel until it stops.
 

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I have a Super Ikonta III 531/16 equipped with the decent Novar lens - not so expensive like the Tessar equipped Super Ikontas.

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Reading up on the Zeiss 534/16, I'm unsure if it has a coated lens? I'm assuming it's front cell focus? Does have a classic look to it.


Kent in SD
 

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TBH I find zone focusing with folders to be more...liberating..than using the RF.
So really my fav MF folder is my small Bessa 46 with a 1:3.5 Skopar.
A lot of fun that fits in a pocket.
 

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I like using scale focusing medium format folders.
Voigtlander 6x6 "Baby Bessa"
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Kodak Tourist
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and a nearly 90 year old Kodak Six-16 with 120 loaded
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I have both a Super Ikonta B (532/16 -- very early post-War with uncoated 80/2.8 Tessar) and a Mamiya 6 folder with Zuiko 75/3.5 (not the Automat with auto film counter, but one of the models with captive format masks to shoot 6x6 and 6x4.5 in the same camera) Of the two, the Mamiya is the better camera, IMO.
Agree - Mamiya has a bit better viewfinder, too.
 

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Agree - Mamiya has a bit better viewfinder, too.

Though in fairness, the 532/16 I have is a pre-War design, assembled post-War with mostly leftover parts (or so I understand) -- it what they could build to restart production and finance updates/upgrades/rebuilding. Later variations (Super Ikonta III, for instance) benefitted from the passage of time, just as the Mamiya did (mine is from the late 1950s, so 20 years newer design).
 

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I have about 20 different folders.

I have found that for walking around taking snap-shots, the squares have it.

My preferred camera is a super Ikonta iii or iv.
It is very similar to the mamiya 6 in size and style. I do not have a mamiya 6 though. The mamiya has nice thumb focus and effectively unit focusing.. so on paper it would be better than the Ikonta. But they both have a nice combined view finder rangefinder. And the focus bed drops down instead of to one side. This makes it very easy to grip both sides of the camera.

645 cameras are a tiny bit smaller but not by much. And none of them are as nice to use as the above two. Best are the Konica ii/iii/iv. The iv is very expensive though.

Other suggestions...
The isolette iii / speedex special with non coupled rangefinder. -look for a cla'd one. The focus is often locked up.
The non-rangefinder Ikonta or nettar. If you are shooting trees or mountains, not very hard to get the focus right.
Iskra? Never tried one but look very nice.
 

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I have about 20 different folders.

I have found that for walking around taking snap-shots, the squares have it.

My preferred camera is a super Ikonta iii or iv.
It is very similar to the mamiya 6 in size and style. I do not have a mamiya 6 though. The mamiya has nice thumb focus and effectively unit focusing.. so on paper it would be better than the Ikonta. But they both have a nice combined view finder rangefinder. And the focus bed drops down instead of to one side. This makes it very easy to grip both sides of the camera.

645 cameras are a tiny bit smaller but not by much. And none of them are as nice to use as the above two. Best are the Konica ii/iii/iv. The iv is very expensive though.

Other suggestions...
The isolette iii / speedex special with non coupled rangefinder. -look for a cla'd one. The focus is often locked up.
The non-rangefinder Ikonta or nettar. If you are shooting trees or mountains, not very hard to get the focus right.
Iskra? Never tried one but look very nice.

Hasselblad said that "Square is the perfect format." So you are on the right track.
 

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Very very happy with my Bronica RF645. Not a folder but handles beautifully and produces great images.

Square? LOL, baggage from TLRs. :D
 

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Sounds like a Super Baldax fits the bill. It’s got a coupled RF, and the variant I have has a rather decent Ennit f2.8, which is a Tessar variant(?)

I do not find it slow shooting (though of course it will always be slightly slower than shooting with say a Rolleiflex as film transport needs to be done by winding the knob and then one must cock the shutter separately.)

I should add that frame counting is automatically when winding without the need for a red window. The red window is only needed for the first frame.

I guess it’s referred to as a poor man’s super ikonta for a reason.

Above some pictures taken on the lens. I quite like it!
 
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