I did not know there was a difference, thanks for the heads up. Just assumed Foma in the name made it one outfit.
Mike
Mike
MCC is back !
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Can I get one sheet? It's all I need to see if it's worth the cost of a 25 sheet box. Seriously though what the heck happened to Oriental that caused it to be so bad and why haven't they fix it?
I used a bunch of 120 roll film on the last trip, the rolls were Adox 25 CHS, I knew it was prone to defects and wasn't disappointed, I exposed numerous frames on of each scene on each roll. Sure enough there they were small pinholes and small black things, intermittently on the film. I've used Adox since the 1970's and all from Freestyle, it seems that the film goes through periods of maladjustments.
Now with Ilford and Kodak and now Rollei Pan 25, not a problem, same developer and same method of development, flaw free film. I never had a roll of Panatomic X that was bad or had a defect, beat that for quality control. I'm a believer so I'm sticking to Ilford film and some Rollei Pan 25. The Fuji Acros 100 is clean, neat and dries flat, that a plus in my book, and it's also inexpensive as things go and like Kodak and Ilford is the other film that's available at B&H, Adorama, and Freestyle plus others and not, that's not just available at Freestyle.
As for paper I'm giving serious consideration to Ilford MG**, I've tried a few of the current papers and some are just flat and lifeless. Of course there is nothing like a Carbon Transfer print, the ultimate print.
Freestyle is a five star business and I appreciate all the company has done for me all these years. Adorama has been stellar in my opinion and I will continue to buy from them. I've not had a problem with B&H either.
So the op said MCC is back, I wasn't a big user of it before it was gone the first time, perhaps I was busy with Oriental like AA and others suggested.
I think one reason why it might be requested from the manufacturer in 25 sheet boxes is when the end buyer sees the cost of a 100 sheet box they might have sticker shock.
There is another solution, use AZO, now gone but some can be had second hand, or Lodima from Michael Smith, it's a high quality contact printing paper, the only drawback or a plus as the case may go, is that it is a contact printing paper so those who projection print, enlarge, are out of luck unless they shoot at a size that they want for the final image. Now we are talking about Edward Weston and not Ansel Adams.
I used a bunch of 120 roll film on the last trip, the rolls were Adox 25 CHS, I knew it was prone to defects and wasn't disappointed, I exposed numerous frames on of each scene on each roll. Sure enough there they were small pinholes and small black things, intermittently on the film. I've used Adox since the 1970's and all from Freestyle, it seems that the film goes through periods of maladjustments.
Now with Ilford and Kodak and now Rollei Pan 25, not a problem, same developer and same method of development, flaw free film. I never had a roll of Panatomic X that was bad or had a defect, beat that for quality control. I'm a believer so I'm sticking to Ilford film and some Rollei Pan 25. The Fuji Acros 100 is clean, neat and dries flat, that a plus in my book, and it's also inexpensive as things go and like Kodak and Ilford is the other film that's available at B&H, Adorama, and Freestyle plus others and not, that's not just available at Freestyle.
As for paper I'm giving serious consideration to Ilford MG**, I've tried a few of the current papers and some are just flat and lifeless. Of course there is nothing like a Carbon Transfer print, the ultimate print.
Freestyle is a five star business and I appreciate all the company has done for me all these years. Adorama has been stellar in my opinion and I will continue to buy from them. I've not had a problem with B&H either.
So the op said MCC is back, I wasn't a big user of it before it was gone the first time, perhaps I was busy with Oriental like AA and others suggested.
I think one reason why it might be requested from the manufacturer in 25 sheet boxes is when the end buyer sees the cost of a 100 sheet box they might have sticker shock.
There is another solution, use AZO, now gone but some can be had second hand, or Lodima from Michael Smith, it's a high quality contact printing paper, the only drawback or a plus as the case may go, is that it is a contact printing paper so those who projection print, enlarge, are out of luck unless they shoot at a size that they want for the final image. Now we are talking about Edward Weston and not Ansel Adams.
I think the possible price differences between let's say 25, 50 and 100 sheet boxes offered to please the customer would be outrun by an overall increase in prices due to the increase in stock and shortfall costs which must be accounted for in the end user prices. The possible savings by buying larger boxes would be pure illusion then.
Ulrich
If you check prices at FS; it's not that way with some other manufacturers.
Mike
Mike
You definitely can not know as long as they do not communicate their calculation.
Ulrich
Neither of us know the internal factors that drive individual companies in their pricing schemes, you or me. Both of us are offering 2 cent guesses.
Mike
Mike
Mirko
Is the fibre MG paper ever going to be available in larger 100ft rolls?
Bob
Is the fibre MG paper ever going to be available in larger 100ft rolls?
Bob
Is it this you are looking for, Bob?
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopa...0-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopa...0-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html
Looks like it , the 10 meter length is always problematic with any roll paper I have used. basically by the time it lands in toronto the roll is really curly and almost impossible to work with. I prefer the 100 ft length as it lays flat better.
thanks for the link
thanks for the link
This is not completely correct. Mirko gave us an idea of the differences in production costs already. With let's say three package sizes instead of only one you will have to stock three items instead of one with every size you make. You definitely would have to take stock- and shortfall costs into consideration in calculating end user prices as Mirko - as being a manufacturer and distributor- has to. It's not guessing but knowledge of merchants practice here. As with Ilford these costs have to be calculated by the distributors though, assuming Ilford - as a mere manufacturer - is not holding stock. As to the amount of these costs it's -you are right here- just guessing.
Ulrich
Bob,
it is possible you know this already, but there are 100 ft rolls too.
it is possible you know this already, but there are 100 ft rolls too.
Any idea about the cause?
News to me , I have been asking Mirko this question from day one and never a reply. I must be on his ignore list.
Strange - it's here, anyway:
http://www.fotoimpex.de/shop/fotopa...0-m-premium-line-glaenzendes-barytpapier.html
Thank you , I appreciate this
Bob, maybe you are some list. But rather that of oblivion...
You raised that question of long rolls of barytated paper before and were already referred to 100' rolls MCC:
(there was a url link here which no longer exists)
To my own surprise I did not forget that.
I seem to be confused with the availability. In 2001 I ran Agfa Classic through my Lambda and was successful making mural prints. I loved the fact I could process with safelight and as well the warmth of the paper.
It now seems that this is new emulsion and not just leftover Classic rebranded and in new boxes. I am not interested in this option.
I have not been convinced that Adox made the new emulsion in large rolls.
This now seems to be fact , or at least it seems probable but I have wanted to hear this directly from the horses mouth before purchase.
I will phone Freestyle next week and give it a go.
It now seems that this is new emulsion and not just leftover Classic rebranded and in new boxes. I am not interested in this option.
I have not been convinced that Adox made the new emulsion in large rolls.
This now seems to be fact , or at least it seems probable but I have wanted to hear this directly from the horses mouth before purchase.
I will phone Freestyle next week and give it a go.
Now I got your point.
But if someone would have got old long rolls of paper and wanted to re-brand it, he rather would cut it down. Anyway I never thought of that re-branding thing, but now I see the conclusions you made from Mirko not answering.
I would buy that paper without hesitating.
But if someone would have got old long rolls of paper and wanted to re-brand it, he rather would cut it down. Anyway I never thought of that re-branding thing, but now I see the conclusions you made from Mirko not answering.
I would buy that paper without hesitating.
OP
OP
ADOX Fotoimpex
Partner
Bob,
freestyle told me that you are in contact and since then I got this point off my list thinking it was all sorted out in respect to information flow.
We only have a limited amount of MCC in 30 meter rolls in stock now (abut 10 pce) and I have not started marketing it towards you and other labs because I can´t reproduce wide rolls at this point and didn´t want to create a demand which then can´t be supplied.
(We had a pencil line on all masterrolls of the last production in the summer and thus we can cut around for sheets but cant make wide rolls).
The next coating will probably take place in march so we expect to be able to fill orders reasonably in Mai and then I wanted to start spreading the word.
We are now out of 10 meter rolls already and thus we put the 30 meter rolls up in the webshop as an alternative.
Kind regards,
Mirko
freestyle told me that you are in contact and since then I got this point off my list thinking it was all sorted out in respect to information flow.
We only have a limited amount of MCC in 30 meter rolls in stock now (abut 10 pce) and I have not started marketing it towards you and other labs because I can´t reproduce wide rolls at this point and didn´t want to create a demand which then can´t be supplied.
(We had a pencil line on all masterrolls of the last production in the summer and thus we can cut around for sheets but cant make wide rolls).
The next coating will probably take place in march so we expect to be able to fill orders reasonably in Mai and then I wanted to start spreading the word.
We are now out of 10 meter rolls already and thus we put the 30 meter rolls up in the webshop as an alternative.
Kind regards,
Mirko
OP
OP
ADOX Fotoimpex
Partner
Ulrich, Mike,
we are among the named paper manufacturers the smallest and because we are a new company we have write offs in our calculation.
Thus our production price per sqm is higher than with the competition.
We need to sell our paper to peole who value the options of another alternative.
MCC is unique and has highest quality. It features a silver chloride silver bromide emulsion alowing it to be developed both cold and warm. It is in general competitively priced with some exceptions.
If someone shops very price oriented and comes acros such an exeption MCC is probably not the best choice.
No one is making heaps of money in this industry.
Our goal is to proof that analogue materials can be made in a large variety and at fair prices- even on a small scale.
This ensures supply for you all in the future.
We are not price leaders and never intended to become such.
Ulrich made a good point. We are struggeling to finance our stock between coating cycles. Our balance sheet has more than tripled in the last 2 years and still we are sometimes out of certain sizes for a few weeks. If I was to create another article like e.g. 100 sheet boxes of 8x10 the material going into these boxes has to be prefinanced for an average of 9 months and the confectioning expenses for about 3 months. This needs capital or I make less of the other sizes running a higher risk to run out of 16x20 for example.
And we are not talking about hundreds of euros here. We are talking hundreds of thousdands per paper product.
This is why I asked in the beginning if anyone would be interested in 100 sheets with a 2 dollar discount.
The response was as I expected it.
There is also a handling savings advantage in a bigger box. Factoring this all in we might be able to get to a 5-6 dollar saving.
Would that start to be more interesting ?
Mirko
we are among the named paper manufacturers the smallest and because we are a new company we have write offs in our calculation.
Thus our production price per sqm is higher than with the competition.
We need to sell our paper to peole who value the options of another alternative.
MCC is unique and has highest quality. It features a silver chloride silver bromide emulsion alowing it to be developed both cold and warm. It is in general competitively priced with some exceptions.
If someone shops very price oriented and comes acros such an exeption MCC is probably not the best choice.
No one is making heaps of money in this industry.
Our goal is to proof that analogue materials can be made in a large variety and at fair prices- even on a small scale.
This ensures supply for you all in the future.
We are not price leaders and never intended to become such.
Ulrich made a good point. We are struggeling to finance our stock between coating cycles. Our balance sheet has more than tripled in the last 2 years and still we are sometimes out of certain sizes for a few weeks. If I was to create another article like e.g. 100 sheet boxes of 8x10 the material going into these boxes has to be prefinanced for an average of 9 months and the confectioning expenses for about 3 months. This needs capital or I make less of the other sizes running a higher risk to run out of 16x20 for example.
And we are not talking about hundreds of euros here. We are talking hundreds of thousdands per paper product.
This is why I asked in the beginning if anyone would be interested in 100 sheets with a 2 dollar discount.
The response was as I expected it.
There is also a handling savings advantage in a bigger box. Factoring this all in we might be able to get to a 5-6 dollar saving.
Would that start to be more interesting ?
Mirko
Mirko,
I understand your logic for the 25sh packs of 8x10. However, would it be possible in the future to pack the larger paper sizes that already come boxed in sturdier boxes, e.g. along the lines of the ILFORD product? I find the Adox boxes tend to come apart rather easily.
Tom
I understand your logic for the 25sh packs of 8x10. However, would it be possible in the future to pack the larger paper sizes that already come boxed in sturdier boxes, e.g. along the lines of the ILFORD product? I find the Adox boxes tend to come apart rather easily.
Tom
And please make them a little larger so that I can stuff the bag back into the box without kinking the corners of the paper.
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