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Hi Guys- I just picked up a Ricoh TLR and I am in love with it. I am looking to get some more MF. I was looking at an RX67 which I think I should be able to get a pretty good deal on via ebay. How is the quality of this camera and what is it like to use it. From what I gather it is somewhat heavy but I don't think that will bother me.
 

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I have an RB67 which I love, it might be a little on the heavy side, but I usually use a good tripod. All in all, a damn good camera.

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I have one, its the Pro II model. Its my favorite camera! Its heavy, and when being designed, probably thought to live its life on a tripod in a studio. I generally handhold it though.

repairs(when you need it, almost never though in my case) can be found in pretty much every large city.

Fantastic glass, sworn by many to be as sharp, if not sharper than Zeiss Hassy glass. I haven't run any personal tests, but many readings tell me this. Lenses are all leaf shutter, but rather cheap price-wise on the used market. KEH is your friend in that regard :smile:.

I personally like to use a prism, but thats me. The waist level finder takes some getting used to, since everything is flipped, although right side-up. Use it for a few hours and you should get the hang of it.

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I really like my RB67 Pro SD. The RBs are all mechanical and are not dependent on batteries. If you have ever missed a shot because of exhausted batteries, you may prefer this model. Many photogs do.
 

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There are many ways to miss a shot with a camera, no matter if it's mechanical or electronical. I wouldn't make the decision based on just one reason (running out of batteries and not having a spare).
 

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Camera choice can be influenced by a lot of different factors. How you want to prioritize these features is up to the person making the choice.
 

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I realized as I went up in size that my RZ67 with metered finder, my Linhof TK45 and my RH Phillips 8x10 all weighed about 8 lbs each. The TK had the Tel/macro bar on it. It is amazing how much larger the 8x10 ground glass is and of course the negative. I know, apples and pears, but be sure what you want.

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The RZ is my primary film camera.

If you have a good tripod and cable release, it's great - outdoors on legs is how I use mine 95% of the time. Hiking with it is no problem but I'm a 30yo beefy guy; it might be different if you're 70 and a bit weak at the knees. There are those who'll tell you that a good 4x5" field camera is as easy to transport as an RZ and they're likely right but I can't afford the per-frame costs of 4x5 at the moment, even if I would love to have the movements.

Due to the leaf shutters, it's fantastic for handheld studio flash work because it can sync at 1/400s.

The 110/2.8 and 180/4.5 lenses I can say are fantastic. The 50/4.5 non-ULD has massive field curvature that makes it soft in the corners, so I sold mine after 3 weeks. The 50/4.5 ULD (and 65/4 FL-A) is meant to be much better in that regard but cost 2-3x as much.

The -II version of the body will give you half-stop speed increments while the original is whole stops. I have the original and it's fine for chromes too, you just need to use partial-stops on the aperture setting to get that perfect exposure. I had only one badly-exposed image from the last 3 rolls of Velvia that I put through it.

I would prefer the RZ over the RB: while it is as bulky, it is a little lighter (which matters on a long walk), the electronic timing is accurate and will never drift and the batteries are cheap. They last for so many rolls I don't know the number and I have 3 spares in my bag. You can use a metered prism if you want. The lenses are more modern - floating elements, better coatings, etc. It has a bunch of electronic interlocks (darkslide, film advance, etc) that will prevent common errors you can make with the RB; they've saved me a number of times.

The RB is so much cheaper, you can get a lot more system for your money. I see that as a bit of a false economy though because the amount you'll spend on film and paper will soon eclipse the cost of your camera anyway.
 
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I prefer to do handheld work....I'm still in my teens an I don't think the weight would be much of a problem.
 

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If you want to do lots of handheld available-light photography, a TLR or rangefinder (eg Mamiya 6 or 7, though they cost a lot) are probably better options because they don't have the mirror-slap. A 6x7 mirror is a big big chunk of glass and even though the rest of the RZ is heavy, vibration will affect your sharpness.

I can handhold my 110/2.8 at 1/125 by pushing the WLF against my forehead. The sharpness is acceptable for smaller prints (11x14" or so) but doesn't match what you can get from tripod, MLU and cable release. You'd be throwing away all the advantages of that huge negative. If you're just doing people shots and don't need much DOF, it will be fine though - 1/400 is good and 1/250 is decent with the 110/2.8. With ISO400 film and f/2.8, you can shoot in reasonably low light if you're OK with tiny DOF - the same as shooting 55mm f/1.4 on a 35mm camera.

Edit: have you looked at a Rolleiflex or Mamiya C220/C330? The latter is of similar size to the RZ and has interchangeable lenses but no mirror slap. Rollei is a bit smaller and with non-changeable lens.
 
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I just got an RB67 Pro SD. It has all the safety features that prevent accidental exposures. It came with a 127 lens and cost me $725 + shipping new out of Hong Kong.
 
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I have TLRs but I wanted a camera more of this type. I've never heard of mirror slap being a big problem....
 
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I may start using a tripod then. I enjoy handheld too though.
 

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It is a great camera system. Like any camera system, if you force it into a role in which it does not excel, you will likely be frustrated and disappointed. I would not shoot sports or candid pictures with one (though occasionally you can get a good candid shot with one), but they can definitely give great results for far more things than they cannot, IMO. Think about what it is good for and whether or not this works for what you like to shoot. If it does, I recommend to go for it.
 

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According to the Mamiya web site, the KL lenses for the RB Pro SD series are optically identical to the latest RZ lenses although the use a Seiko mechanical leaf shutter while the RZ series use an electronically controlled leaf shutter. Both systems have basically the same set of accessories. The RZ cameras can use the RB lenses, but without the benefit of most of the onboard electronics. Older generation cameras are cheaper and the older lenses are cheaper but the older the equipment, the greater chance of being worn out. RB Pro SDs and RZ IIs are quite a bit more expensive and all of the newer lenses run to more money.

Either system has the advantage of 6x7 or 6x4.5 exposures on 120 film at the expense of weight, bulk and quick handling. I saw an RB Pro SD with 90mm f3.5 KL lens and 645 120 back sell on eBay today for less than $160.

Quest away my young friend, quest away.
 
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Don't let the talk of weight or mirror slap deter you. It's a perfectly handholdable camera as long as your bones are not made of glass. It is heavy, that I will not deny. But the "massive" mirror slap is really not an issue. Watch this video if you want proof. It isn't an RB/RZ, but the difference in size between a 6x6 mirror and a 6x7 mirror is next to nothing.
If i recall correctly, there was a picture someone posted here that they shot with an rb/rz handheld at 1/30s that had no noticeable motion blur.
 

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Check in the general Gallery here at APUG and take a look at my photo "The Driveway". This shot was from a couple of years ago. If I remember correctly this was handheld with the waistlevel finder. Ektachrome E100 VS. I guestimated exposure by opening up a stop from the Sunny f16 Rule. I think that it was 1/125th second at f11 or f8. No bracketing and no wasted film. If you lived closer, I wouldn't mind if you wanted to try the camera out to get a feel for it before you shelled out a lot of cash.
Regards,
Dave
 

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how do you folks find the dial focus on the RZ? I'm thinking about this or a rollei 6008. providing the dial focusing is fast, and you use the split image focus screen, i don't see why this couldn't be used for street random shots.
 

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I just received my new (used) Mamiya RZ67 in the mail a few hours ago. I need to get a battery before I go insane!
 

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Cool. You can use it in mechanical/orange-dot (1/400) mode though without a battery - great with a flash and fine with Sunny-16 and some fastish film.

Edit: I suspect, but do not know for certain, that T mode may also work mechanically in orange-dot mode since it uses no battery to hold the shutter open. Can get yourself some long night exposures that way.
 

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Thanks Guys, for the advice on using it at 1/400. This is not my first RZ67. It's replacing an older one. I went out to get a battery which kept me from going insane. Now what do I shoot? I'm going nuts! I want to shoot some nature but the camera came two days after all the red leaves fell. I do have a studio shoot lined up for Thursday where some friends agreed to pose.
 
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